1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:03,149 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:06,119 --> 00:00:04,930 triangle you know there's explanation 3 00:00:08,070 --> 00:00:06,129 for everything that occurred in the 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:08,080 rendlesham forest incident it doesn't 5 00:00:13,950 --> 00:00:10,570 involve aliens at all it was completely 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:13,960 silent it comes right over our head it's 7 00:00:18,420 --> 00:00:16,810 so a classic flying-saucer really 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:18,430 standing in the clearing he turned over 9 00:00:21,540 --> 00:00:20,170 to my father and held his hand and he 10 00:00:28,140 --> 00:00:21,550 looked in his eyes and said we're not 11 00:00:31,019 --> 00:00:28,150 alone welcome to Podcast UFO for our 12 00:00:33,270 --> 00:00:31,029 live show we're live every wednesday at 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:33,280 eight pm eastern standard time on the 14 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:35,530 Dark Matter radio network please 15 00:00:41,490 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that you know the site just 85 00:03:41,849 --> 00:03:40,209 keeps crashing i am going to be stopping 86 00:03:44,550 --> 00:03:41,859 my chatting here in introducing 87 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:44,560 alejandro rojas right now how are you 88 00:03:52,259 --> 00:03:48,840 alejandro i am doing pretty well but 89 00:03:55,140 --> 00:03:52,269 extremely busy getting ready for the UFO 90 00:03:59,059 --> 00:03:55,150 Congress yes and you know by the way 91 00:04:06,210 --> 00:03:59,069 guess guess what I'm purchasing tomorrow 92 00:04:09,629 --> 00:04:06,220 at a laser gun um that and I am 93 00:04:16,289 --> 00:04:09,639 purchasing a ticket to come out to the 94 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:16,299 Phoenix area on februari 17th yeah sweet 95 00:04:20,550 --> 00:04:19,090 that's awesome i'm so excited and what's 96 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:20,560 kind of cool about this year although 97 00:04:24,149 --> 00:04:22,330 i'm a little bit worried about it there 98 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:24,159 are so many people coming to it that 99 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:25,810 haven't been there before such as 100 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:27,630 yourself people I've known and work with 101 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:30,300 for a while that and then my mom and my 102 00:04:33,530 --> 00:04:32,010 sister are going to be there hopefully I 103 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:33,540 have time to say hi to everybody it's 104 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:36,120 such a busy busy event but I am excited 105 00:04:40,910 --> 00:04:37,530 because I know people will love it 106 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:40,920 because it's a gorgeous venue and I was 107 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:43,710 you know going over our program we're 108 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:45,990 looking that over getting that ready to 109 00:04:51,290 --> 00:04:48,810 print and the speakers are just so cool 110 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:51,300 I mean we've got Cheryl Kosta from New 111 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:53,850 York talking about New York UFOs her 112 00:04:59,690 --> 00:04:56,370 talk looks cool James Clarkson worked 113 00:05:01,100 --> 00:04:59,700 with MUFON and he is talking about this 114 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:01,110 amazing witness who worked at 115 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:03,450 wright-patterson Air Force Base we've 116 00:05:09,790 --> 00:05:07,110 got Joan bird who did about UFOs in 117 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:09,800 Montana Linda Zimmerman who wrote about 118 00:05:15,650 --> 00:05:12,690 Hudson Valley UFOs and did a film on it 119 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:15,660 just these amazing people that some 120 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:17,010 people might not have heard of before 121 00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:18,930 and if you haven't had these people on 122 00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:20,190 your show you've got to because they're 123 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:22,350 great but just have done some excellent 124 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:24,960 work that people are going to love I was 125 00:05:31,340 --> 00:05:26,970 just talking about Joan burnt bird to 126 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RD Clark 127 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:34,410 big skeller yeah yep and because they're 128 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:37,830 good friends and joan was going to be on 129 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:40,350 the show and her email vaporized so 130 00:05:44,210 --> 00:05:42,960 hopefully she will show we can talk 131 00:05:47,630 --> 00:05:44,220 about that later and i can get her on 132 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:47,640 prior to possibly get her on prior to 133 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:50,130 being out there and you know talk a 134 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:51,240 little bit about she's going to talk 135 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:53,250 about out there a little more extra 136 00:05:59,930 --> 00:05:57,450 promotion but anyway I'm really looking 137 00:06:03,290 --> 00:05:59,940 forward to it and I really would like to 138 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:03,300 do some type of round robin live during 139 00:06:08,060 --> 00:06:05,670 you know during the the live spot on 140 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:08,070 this show right from there and I'm going 141 00:06:12,380 --> 00:06:09,840 to be talking to you you know offline of 142 00:06:14,180 --> 00:06:12,390 course trying to see if I can make that 143 00:06:16,940 --> 00:06:14,190 happen sounds like it would be a lot of 144 00:06:19,910 --> 00:06:16,950 fun and interesting that would be 145 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:19,920 excellent and excellent i'm going to do 146 00:06:24,710 --> 00:06:22,860 another podcast on location and I'm just 147 00:06:27,140 --> 00:06:24,720 kind of I'm going to do it live of 148 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:27,150 course live on the radio but I just 149 00:06:31,790 --> 00:06:28,440 wanted to kind of give the listener that 150 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:31,800 throw that out there that toward the end 151 00:06:36,590 --> 00:06:33,510 of this month or just like in two weeks 152 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:36,600 or so or possibly a little bit later I'm 153 00:06:39,910 --> 00:06:38,850 going to be traveling down to the 154 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:39,920 Baltimore air 155 00:06:44,230 --> 00:06:41,870 yeah and doing a live podcast with a 156 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:44,240 really interesting gentleman with some 157 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:47,120 amazing things that he's going to be 158 00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:49,640 showing me it's so interesting that I 159 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:51,140 decide I'm just going to do the podcast 160 00:06:55,810 --> 00:06:52,820 right with him right there that'll be 161 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:55,820 fun yeah that'll be a lot of fun alright 162 00:07:00,400 --> 00:06:57,650 so now we plugged you we plugged me 163 00:07:03,250 --> 00:07:00,410 we're all set to the news yeah yeah okay 164 00:07:04,870 --> 00:07:03,260 now that we've plugged everybody and 165 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:04,880 been all nice nice i'm going to give you 166 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:08,240 some crap for something you did today 167 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:12,110 you posted a facebook story that is our 168 00:07:17,710 --> 00:07:14,930 story and he didn't post us but it's not 169 00:07:20,010 --> 00:07:17,720 necessarily your fault partially well it 170 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:20,020 is very much your fault actually so 171 00:07:25,450 --> 00:07:23,330 there's the project Bluebook files went 172 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:25,460 online John Greenwald posted those 173 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:27,830 they're all free and PDF format they're 174 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:29,960 searchable I wrote a story about it 175 00:07:34,750 --> 00:07:31,850 because I'm so happy with what drawn 176 00:07:36,550 --> 00:07:34,760 goon wall did here funny enough we cool 177 00:07:39,310 --> 00:07:36,560 which is really cool the Daily Mail 178 00:07:41,530 --> 00:07:39,320 picked it up and they linked to us and 179 00:07:43,690 --> 00:07:41,540 gave us credit which is great but then a 180 00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:43,700 bunch of other new sources now have 181 00:07:47,950 --> 00:07:45,680 picked up the Daily Mail story and 182 00:07:49,990 --> 00:07:47,960 they've kind of dropped us so they're 183 00:07:52,390 --> 00:07:50,000 not even mentioning us but they are 184 00:07:55,060 --> 00:07:52,400 mentioning John Green Walden and putting 185 00:07:56,740 --> 00:07:55,070 a link to the Black Bolt which is good 186 00:07:58,900 --> 00:07:56,750 because that's the whole point of this 187 00:08:01,300 --> 00:07:58,910 but you posted one of these copycat 188 00:08:04,690 --> 00:08:01,310 stories I think from the mirror who 189 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:04,700 dropped us and so well yes I got it from 190 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:10,120 the source yes and you know I I have a 191 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:12,410 good oh she's listening right now I know 192 00:08:16,990 --> 00:08:15,290 she is Peggy Peggy one hand Peggy's grey 193 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:17,000 she works she is great and she works 194 00:08:21,430 --> 00:08:18,590 really hard at the facebook you're 195 00:08:24,580 --> 00:08:21,440 passing the back I am but I'm also going 196 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:24,590 to say this that Peggy would never mean 197 00:08:29,470 --> 00:08:26,720 to do any harm so it's just totally an 198 00:08:31,780 --> 00:08:29,480 oversight I think pinky could do some 199 00:08:34,710 --> 00:08:31,790 harm she seems like a person who is able 200 00:08:36,790 --> 00:08:34,720 to take care of and handle herself 201 00:08:39,250 --> 00:08:36,800 absolutely I wouldn't want to mess with 202 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:39,260 her she seems like you know yeah he 203 00:08:46,330 --> 00:08:41,330 could do harm to someone if she got 204 00:08:47,770 --> 00:08:46,340 upset enough that's my Peggy yes yeah so 205 00:08:49,630 --> 00:08:47,780 but this is really cool it's cool that 206 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:49,640 the story got picked up a lot of people 207 00:08:54,810 --> 00:08:53,050 are competing hey 208 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:54,820 he spilled some files from someone else 209 00:08:57,780 --> 00:08:56,290 but that's not the case and just to 210 00:09:00,509 --> 00:08:57,790 clear that up for any of your listeners 211 00:09:02,550 --> 00:09:00,519 there was a gentleman he went by on 212 00:09:04,949 --> 00:09:02,560 above top secret in some other places 213 00:09:07,019 --> 00:09:04,959 something like extreme was his name and 214 00:09:09,810 --> 00:09:07,029 his name is anonymous even though I know 215 00:09:12,389 --> 00:09:09,820 his name because he emailed me and other 216 00:09:14,490 --> 00:09:12,399 organizations and said hey I've got all 217 00:09:17,130 --> 00:09:14,500 the Blue Book files you can download 218 00:09:19,500 --> 00:09:17,140 them here it wasn't an easy task to do 219 00:09:23,130 --> 00:09:19,510 it either the way he set it up it was 220 00:09:25,259 --> 00:09:23,140 like 200 gigs of picture files it took 221 00:09:27,509 --> 00:09:25,269 two days for me to download and he's 222 00:09:29,069 --> 00:09:27,519 like please post this but that's not 223 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:29,079 easy people don't understand just 224 00:09:32,759 --> 00:09:30,130 because you have those files it's 225 00:09:35,250 --> 00:09:32,769 extremely difficult to then get those on 226 00:09:37,009 --> 00:09:35,260 your server to host them online and then 227 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:37,019 format them you're talking about 228 00:09:41,310 --> 00:09:39,550 thousands of files so you got to create 229 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:41,320 thousands of links to get those up there 230 00:09:46,110 --> 00:09:44,529 so I couldn't do it MUFON asked us if we 231 00:09:47,490 --> 00:09:46,120 could help them do it we said 232 00:09:50,250 --> 00:09:47,500 unfortunately we don't have the time to 233 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:50,260 do that but John Greenwald is smart 234 00:09:54,329 --> 00:09:52,269 enough where he worked with this extreme 235 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:54,339 guy and he was able to create some 236 00:09:59,579 --> 00:09:57,490 programs automated the process turned 237 00:10:02,760 --> 00:09:59,589 him into pdfs that are searchable and 238 00:10:04,710 --> 00:10:02,770 then he was able to post them and it's 239 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:04,720 awesome that he did that and he had to 240 00:10:08,819 --> 00:10:07,390 know how to do that so he didn't steal 241 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:08,829 these from the extreme guy he actually 242 00:10:14,069 --> 00:10:11,170 worked with that guy to get them up on 243 00:10:15,630 --> 00:10:14,079 his site that guy has I won't use his 244 00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:15,640 real name because he's wanted to remain 245 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:18,880 anonymous but just so people know you 246 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:20,980 know John didn't steal those and he had 247 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:23,410 to do a lot of work to get those files 248 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:25,510 up and some people have said well 249 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:27,220 they're kind of free lots of them on on 250 00:10:32,100 --> 00:10:29,440 a site called full three but they are 251 00:10:34,410 --> 00:10:32,110 all pictures you can't you know the 252 00:10:36,829 --> 00:10:34,420 searchability is nowhere near as nice as 253 00:10:40,290 --> 00:10:36,839 these PDFs which you can easily download 254 00:10:43,199 --> 00:10:40,300 from John Greenwald site so it is a fee 255 00:10:45,420 --> 00:10:43,209 it is great when I research blue book 256 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:45,430 you know it used to be very difficult to 257 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:47,740 find those files even with full three it 258 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:51,130 was a bit of an effort but and I had to 259 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:53,529 pay to get access to download those that 260 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:54,880 pulled through when I first went on 261 00:11:01,470 --> 00:10:57,730 there now they offer him for free but if 262 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:01,480 I had the Greenwald database I would and 263 00:11:06,210 --> 00:11:03,670 I even though I have him on on a hard 264 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:06,220 drive that i schlep around 265 00:11:09,450 --> 00:11:07,780 I'm actually just going to use John 266 00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:09,460 Greenwald site from here on out to 267 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:11,920 access those because but it's been 268 00:11:16,740 --> 00:11:14,230 difficult to get to all of the Blue Book 269 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:16,750 files prior to this so i think it's a 270 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:19,330 big deal these other stories have picked 271 00:11:22,830 --> 00:11:21,010 it up and are running with it as well I 272 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:22,840 think it's I think it's absolutely great 273 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:26,370 and yeah that website above top secret 274 00:11:31,410 --> 00:11:29,710 gets a traffic like you can't believe 275 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:31,420 and this is only good am it's going to 276 00:11:38,340 --> 00:11:34,690 excel you know even higher well that 277 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:38,350 these are all on the blackboard oh the 278 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:40,690 black fault yeah what was I thinking 279 00:11:45,540 --> 00:11:43,030 above top secret I had mentioned above 280 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:45,550 top secret because originally that 200 281 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:49,210 gig download was posted on about top 282 00:11:54,540 --> 00:11:52,510 secret ah ok all right and that's why 283 00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:54,550 people think John just stole those and 284 00:11:58,380 --> 00:11:56,590 posted those but he did do it in 285 00:12:00,240 --> 00:11:58,390 cooperation and he did get credit on his 286 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:00,250 site too so there's some conspiracy 287 00:12:05,460 --> 00:12:02,470 theories out there that i would like to 288 00:12:08,250 --> 00:12:05,470 quelch that John deserves the credit 289 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:08,260 he's getting yeah yeah John's a good guy 290 00:12:12,420 --> 00:12:09,910 he's going to be on the show soon he 291 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:12,430 says oh really he will be he's a good 292 00:12:16,710 --> 00:12:14,890 guy i like i like the work he's done oh 293 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:16,720 and this story too just to follow up i 294 00:12:20,070 --> 00:12:18,490 did do an interview with him so he talks 295 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:20,080 about the posting of those files and 296 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:22,510 some good invite insightful stuff there 297 00:12:26,730 --> 00:12:24,670 alright so someone can listen to that on 298 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:26,740 now i'm going to plug you again even 299 00:12:31,980 --> 00:12:29,440 though you know you just bashed me so 300 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:31,990 that's that's on open minds TV you can 301 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:36,490 find that correct open mind TV the place 302 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:39,970 for UFO news and right here so carry on 303 00:12:48,170 --> 00:12:44,710 son another one that i wanted to talk 304 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:48,180 about is just the day after we talked 305 00:12:53,460 --> 00:12:51,010 and and i think i was researching this 306 00:12:56,430 --> 00:12:53,470 when we did talk last there was a story 307 00:13:01,590 --> 00:12:56,440 about thousands of people seeing a UFO 308 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:01,600 in argentina this was about a week ago 309 00:13:08,940 --> 00:13:05,850 last sunday a week a half ago now and 310 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:08,950 these were this was mostly in the town 311 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:11,170 of i'm not even sure how to say it's 312 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:14,290 like wale kuai qu quality wait you 313 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:16,570 something like that in argentina real 314 00:13:20,579 --> 00:13:17,889 very narrow your 315 00:13:23,699 --> 00:13:20,589 why but a lot of people I saw this light 316 00:13:26,579 --> 00:13:23,709 flying over and some of the videos I 317 00:13:28,499 --> 00:13:26,589 went and I found several videos people 318 00:13:30,749 --> 00:13:28,509 posted online of these lights you can 319 00:13:34,289 --> 00:13:30,759 see people out in the street looking at 320 00:13:36,989 --> 00:13:34,299 it I slowly moved over the city then in 321 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:36,999 another city about 20 miles away they 322 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:40,540 spotted it as well and so this was kind 323 00:13:46,590 --> 00:13:42,790 of a big deal a lot of the Argentine 324 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:46,600 news was covering it in these videos you 325 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:48,730 can't see a whole lot people described 326 00:13:53,429 --> 00:13:51,549 it as a slow-moving blinking light that 327 00:13:56,069 --> 00:13:53,439 was stationary for a while then would 328 00:14:00,749 --> 00:13:56,079 move some people said that at zigzagged 329 00:14:02,159 --> 00:14:00,759 at times and so there's different 330 00:14:04,590 --> 00:14:02,169 reports of course that would be really 331 00:14:05,609 --> 00:14:04,600 weird if there is zigzagging some people 332 00:14:08,609 --> 00:14:05,619 have said well it's probably a 333 00:14:10,319 --> 00:14:08,619 quadcopter or a drone but a lot of the 334 00:14:12,389 --> 00:14:10,329 witnesses had said no they don't think 335 00:14:13,889 --> 00:14:12,399 so and they argue that if that was the 336 00:14:18,239 --> 00:14:13,899 case you know it wouldn't have been 337 00:14:20,129 --> 00:14:18,249 seeing 20 miles away so a lot of people 338 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:20,139 in Argentina were excited about this and 339 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:22,689 there are lots of videos up on this one 340 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:24,970 cool well it's great when you have that 341 00:14:31,109 --> 00:14:27,910 many witnesses yeah yeah and so that's 342 00:14:34,679 --> 00:14:31,119 pretty cool one yeah yep so our last 343 00:14:37,499 --> 00:14:34,689 story of the evening the last one is for 344 00:14:39,239 --> 00:14:37,509 our UK listeners again some of them may 345 00:14:41,909 --> 00:14:39,249 be aware of it because it's starting to 346 00:14:44,939 --> 00:14:41,919 get all over their news out there in the 347 00:14:46,739 --> 00:14:44,949 UK but one of their stories are one of 348 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:46,749 their papers a chronicle had posted this 349 00:14:54,539 --> 00:14:50,649 story about a UFO over the town of 350 00:14:58,229 --> 00:14:54,549 cinnamon and this was Monday now the 351 00:14:59,729 --> 00:14:58,239 video was Arthur UFO was recorded but 352 00:15:02,999 --> 00:14:59,739 essentially this gentleman who's do 353 00:15:04,559 --> 00:15:03,009 venture capitalists I believe was going 354 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:04,569 outside to walk his dog at about 355 00:15:10,529 --> 00:15:07,569 eleven-thirty and he saw an unusual 356 00:15:13,829 --> 00:15:10,539 light he said it wasn't he's used to the 357 00:15:17,220 --> 00:15:13,839 planes it was moving like a plane it was 358 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:17,230 different colors and he thought it was 359 00:15:22,769 --> 00:15:20,289 really weird he videotaped it and posted 360 00:15:25,979 --> 00:15:22,779 that video and so the story is getting 361 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:25,989 out there and this isn't just a UFO 362 00:15:30,519 --> 00:15:28,089 sighting story it's also a story to 363 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:30,529 watch out because this video 364 00:15:36,309 --> 00:15:33,110 the gentleman said I recorded it and it 365 00:15:37,989 --> 00:15:36,319 looks like a pulsating light that's 366 00:15:41,079 --> 00:15:37,999 pulsating different colors and is 367 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:41,089 diamond shape however some of you may be 368 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:43,730 aware but there are lots of diamond 369 00:15:51,009 --> 00:15:46,310 shaped UFO videos yes on the internet 370 00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:51,019 but that is not the UFOs shape what that 371 00:15:55,179 --> 00:15:53,240 is is the aperture in the camera what 372 00:15:56,980 --> 00:15:55,189 happens is if you have a bright point of 373 00:15:59,769 --> 00:15:56,990 light in the sky and you get it out of 374 00:16:02,139 --> 00:15:59,779 focus it'll turn whatever shape the 375 00:16:03,819 --> 00:16:02,149 aperture is and most apertures are 376 00:16:06,309 --> 00:16:03,829 diamond shaped so you're going to see 377 00:16:08,170 --> 00:16:06,319 that diamond shape so unfortunately this 378 00:16:12,699 --> 00:16:08,180 is not an accurate representation of 379 00:16:14,499 --> 00:16:12,709 what that craft looks like also often it 380 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:14,509 can look like it's changing colors 381 00:16:20,889 --> 00:16:18,410 because of the atmosphere however when 382 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:20,899 you do watch this code this video you 383 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:22,970 can see that the there's something 384 00:16:27,429 --> 00:16:24,889 pulsating there but of course I could be 385 00:16:30,059 --> 00:16:27,439 a plane light so the video isn't 386 00:16:32,590 --> 00:16:30,069 conclusive that it's not a plane but 387 00:16:34,090 --> 00:16:32,600 something was there so really in this 388 00:16:36,369 --> 00:16:34,100 case you have to rely on the witness 389 00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:36,379 testimony in that he says you know it 390 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:37,910 wasn't a plane that it was something 391 00:16:43,179 --> 00:16:41,120 different than that but of course then 392 00:16:44,860 --> 00:16:43,189 it's just anecdotal but people can go 393 00:16:48,970 --> 00:16:44,870 look at that and that's a story that's 394 00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:48,980 in the UK news today well you also every 395 00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:50,240 once in a while you hear about these 396 00:16:54,189 --> 00:16:51,680 diamond-shaped crafts that people 397 00:16:56,980 --> 00:16:54,199 actually see like for instance some I 398 00:17:00,280 --> 00:16:56,990 believe cash Landrum case I believe that 399 00:17:03,009 --> 00:17:00,290 has tax Landrum true and it was more of 400 00:17:04,179 --> 00:17:03,019 a taller diamond shape so that's a good 401 00:17:07,210 --> 00:17:04,189 point that doesn't mean that people 402 00:17:10,419 --> 00:17:07,220 haven't seen diamond shaped craft but 403 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:10,429 this story all day has make it out going 404 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:13,370 over and over in my head is shine bright 405 00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:17,089 like a diamond shine like a diamond but 406 00:17:20,649 --> 00:17:18,589 now I've got that stick in your 407 00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,659 listeners head as well yeah and mine 408 00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:23,360 thanks a lot buddy hey uh huh will will 409 00:17:28,750 --> 00:17:25,520 be talking to you next week alright 410 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:28,760 awesome thanks man my pleasure and so 411 00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:30,289 hang in there and we'll be right back 412 00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:33,440 with mark schwartz this music is by 413 00:18:53,330 --> 00:17:45,799 you 414 00:18:58,410 --> 00:18:56,280 thanks mark schwartz for joining us and 415 00:18:59,730 --> 00:18:58,420 from truth funders believe we spoke a 416 00:19:03,930 --> 00:18:59,740 little bit earlier you know I've been 417 00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:03,940 crazy busy I with a startup that I'm 418 00:19:09,780 --> 00:19:06,760 involved in and I never really got to 419 00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:09,790 look to see exactly what truth funders 420 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:12,880 is so the audience listening audience 421 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,250 out there and I are going to all find 422 00:19:20,580 --> 00:19:17,200 out together and by the way if you're 423 00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:20,590 listening live in the dark matter radio 424 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:23,200 network you can jump over to podcast UFO 425 00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,690 calm into the chat room it's real quick 426 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:28,000 easy sign in you can ask our ask our 427 00:19:33,660 --> 00:19:31,090 guests some questions and we have a 428 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:33,670 couple of other guests coming up we have 429 00:19:39,030 --> 00:19:37,170 Jonas is coming up Jonas I don't know 430 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:39,040 pechanga is that how you say his last 431 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:42,990 name it's close we can ask him okay 432 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:45,610 he'll be coming up involved in the truth 433 00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:48,370 funders as well that coming up in a half 434 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:50,470 hour I mean not 15 minutes or so and 435 00:19:56,610 --> 00:19:53,290 then and the second hour of this show 436 00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,620 will have Rick fryer on as well so first 437 00:20:01,880 --> 00:19:58,720 of all let's hear it what is true 438 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:01,890 funders alright well truth funders is a 439 00:20:08,190 --> 00:20:04,690 crowdfunding platform specifically 440 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:08,200 designed for the paranormal you know I'm 441 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:11,470 a big fan of the paranormal of Art Bell 442 00:20:18,780 --> 00:20:16,050 I grew up listening to art bell and I 443 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:18,790 I've been working in the technology and 444 00:20:25,050 --> 00:20:21,490 video production world for the past 15 445 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:25,060 years I helped create a language called 446 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:27,490 TV ml which is the television markup 447 00:20:32,730 --> 00:20:29,770 language and created a lot of 448 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:32,740 applications and was nominated for a 449 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:35,650 prime-time interactive media a me back 450 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:37,980 in 2010 for some of the work that I did 451 00:20:43,650 --> 00:20:40,750 so here in Silicon Valley I was 452 00:20:46,170 --> 00:20:43,660 constantly you know making the trek from 453 00:20:48,930 --> 00:20:46,180 Northern California to Southern 454 00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:48,940 California and bringing them the latest 455 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:51,580 tech that they could use because as we 456 00:20:57,149 --> 00:20:54,370 all know Hollywood is changing and the 457 00:20:59,639 --> 00:20:57,159 way you know the broadcast 458 00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,649 people aren't plugged in as they used to 459 00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,320 be now everybody streams things and 460 00:21:07,649 --> 00:21:04,960 watches TV through their computer they 461 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:07,659 call us cord cutters and places like 462 00:21:13,379 --> 00:21:10,570 Comcast are not big fans of cord cutters 463 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:13,389 but the new generation that's that's how 464 00:21:20,369 --> 00:21:15,849 a lot of us actually get our information 465 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:20,379 and our television so you know while I 466 00:21:23,849 --> 00:21:21,849 was doing this and while I've been 467 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:23,859 working on all these different projects 468 00:21:29,399 --> 00:21:25,690 and social media projects and video 469 00:21:33,509 --> 00:21:29,409 projects I while I code all day and 470 00:21:37,139 --> 00:21:33,519 while I work all day long I listen to 471 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:37,149 old art bell podcasts and that led me to 472 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,220 new podcasts that are out there you can 473 00:21:43,619 --> 00:21:41,440 only get so much of the old before you 474 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:43,629 need to know what's new and what's 475 00:21:49,379 --> 00:21:46,450 happening and what's going on so I 476 00:21:53,789 --> 00:21:49,389 started listening to things like you 477 00:21:55,499 --> 00:21:53,799 know dark matter radio network at a lot 478 00:21:57,479 --> 00:21:55,509 of other different podcasts a lot of 479 00:22:00,210 --> 00:21:57,489 other different paranormal podcasts and 480 00:22:02,729 --> 00:22:00,220 something that I heard all the time was 481 00:22:05,339 --> 00:22:02,739 that people needed funding they needed 482 00:22:11,099 --> 00:22:05,349 funding for the project to test you know 483 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:11,109 Bigfoot DNA or to test DNA from 484 00:22:18,299 --> 00:22:14,529 potential extraterrestrial DNA and so 485 00:22:20,369 --> 00:22:18,309 out of this I started thinking about you 486 00:22:23,149 --> 00:22:20,379 know places like Kickstarter that are 487 00:22:26,430 --> 00:22:23,159 out there and what crowdfunding is is 488 00:22:29,159 --> 00:22:26,440 where you have a project and you put it 489 00:22:31,139 --> 00:22:29,169 online and you say hey I need ten 490 00:22:33,419 --> 00:22:31,149 thousand dollars I need five thousand 491 00:22:35,489 --> 00:22:33,429 dollars in order to get this project up 492 00:22:39,089 --> 00:22:35,499 and running that project could be a book 493 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:39,099 it could be a documentary it can be all 494 00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:42,129 sorts of things but what happens is that 495 00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,070 if you're really into UFOs and trying to 496 00:22:49,499 --> 00:22:47,440 create a UFO documentary and you put it 497 00:22:52,649 --> 00:22:49,509 on a place like one of these bigger 498 00:22:54,659 --> 00:22:52,659 sites it gets lost in the shuffle there 499 00:22:56,729 --> 00:22:54,669 are so many projects that are on these 500 00:22:59,339 --> 00:22:56,739 sites and a lot of the people that are 501 00:23:03,469 --> 00:22:59,349 going to some of those bigger crowd 502 00:23:08,009 --> 00:23:03,479 funding sites aren't really looking for 503 00:23:09,989 --> 00:23:08,019 you know paranormal projects and if they 504 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:09,999 are looking for them they're very 505 00:23:14,010 --> 00:23:10,930 difficult 506 00:23:17,790 --> 00:23:14,020 find so what I started doing was 507 00:23:21,410 --> 00:23:17,800 thinking about this idea of crowdfunding 508 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:21,420 and creating a specific niche 509 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:23,980 specifically for the paranormal so 510 00:23:29,490 --> 00:23:26,710 people could get that type of money that 511 00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:29,500 they need for research for documentaries 512 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:32,440 for the conspiracy theories for to 513 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:35,290 ufology you know anything that has to do 514 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:37,150 with the paranormal they can put their 515 00:23:44,370 --> 00:23:40,810 project there it's a safe place and and 516 00:23:46,910 --> 00:23:44,380 also for other people that do podcasts 517 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:46,920 you know they could get their news from 518 00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:50,110 truth funders and see what some of the 519 00:23:53,730 --> 00:23:52,030 latest projects that people out there in 520 00:23:57,180 --> 00:23:53,740 the world are actually creating and 521 00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,190 doing in order to seek the truth and so 522 00:24:02,220 --> 00:23:59,440 that was the beginning and the 523 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:02,230 conceptualization for for truth funders 524 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:05,710 and how is it going so far well we 525 00:24:10,530 --> 00:24:07,690 launched about a week and a half or two 526 00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:10,540 weeks ago we did our initial launch and 527 00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:13,060 so we just have a couple of projects on 528 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:14,980 right now we have about six projects 529 00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,370 that are up we have 20 projects in our 530 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:20,460 arsenal and we are releasing them slowly 531 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:23,170 sort of every day or two there's a new 532 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:25,810 project that shows up on the site and 533 00:24:31,380 --> 00:24:28,690 you know it's it's a word of mouth we 534 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:31,390 actually we've sponsored Jimmy church's 535 00:24:37,890 --> 00:24:34,450 showed fade to black so that's helped to 536 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:37,900 you know open open the doors to let 537 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:41,110 people know that we're out there and not 538 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:42,850 only that but through social media we 539 00:24:47,670 --> 00:24:45,430 have a lot of the so our team is is 540 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:47,680 there's eight of us there's four of us 541 00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,810 based here in the United States and then 542 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:52,480 there's four of us in the UK working you 543 00:24:58,170 --> 00:24:54,610 know the night shift where we can't stay 544 00:25:00,690 --> 00:24:58,180 up all night working here in California 545 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:00,700 so the late shift goes to the people 546 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:06,310 over in the UK and so it's it's going 547 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:09,070 it's going slowly we've actually we've 548 00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:11,830 actually had an enormous amount of 549 00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:14,710 traffic to the site so that we've had is 550 00:25:19,050 --> 00:25:16,600 in the in the two weeks that we've been 551 00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:19,060 open we've had about 4,000 people visit 552 00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,190 the site which is fantastic I mean 553 00:25:24,899 --> 00:25:24,640 that's great but as far as donations and 554 00:25:27,479 --> 00:25:24,909 people 555 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:27,489 donating to projects that's been a 556 00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:30,190 little bit but just to be honest that's 557 00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:33,039 been a little bit slower and I think 558 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:35,169 people need to begin to trust it and 559 00:25:39,869 --> 00:25:37,690 need to begin to understand it you know 560 00:25:42,089 --> 00:25:39,879 what's out there and also I think that 561 00:25:44,339 --> 00:25:42,099 once we have several hundred projects on 562 00:25:47,339 --> 00:25:44,349 the site that's going to change because 563 00:25:50,219 --> 00:25:47,349 people can look and search on truth 564 00:25:52,229 --> 00:25:50,229 funders through a you know a lot of 565 00:25:54,509 --> 00:25:52,239 these other crowdfunding platforms you 566 00:25:57,419 --> 00:25:54,519 look for movies and you click on movie 567 00:25:58,919 --> 00:25:57,429 and then there's hundreds of thousands 568 00:26:02,249 --> 00:25:58,929 of different projects of movies that 569 00:26:06,239 --> 00:26:02,259 people are trying to have people donate 570 00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:06,249 to whereas on our site you can click on 571 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:09,820 Bigfoot or UFO or alien abduction and 572 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:13,210 then it's not so much bye-bye movie but 573 00:26:20,249 --> 00:26:17,320 it's by category so you know if there's 574 00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,259 someone creating trying to fund a book 575 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:22,960 on alien abduction they would find it 576 00:26:27,779 --> 00:26:25,960 under the category of alien abduction 577 00:26:29,999 --> 00:26:27,789 they could also find movies that are 578 00:26:34,289 --> 00:26:30,009 there so it's more in tune to the search 579 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:34,299 of what people like in in this specific 580 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:37,690 genre uh-huh now how we got together was 581 00:26:45,149 --> 00:26:41,769 Richard cutting us from Milgram in the 582 00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:45,159 fast walkers he and he said he had 583 00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:46,720 conversations you thought you'd make a 584 00:26:53,249 --> 00:26:50,590 good guest he's a great guy I always 585 00:26:54,749 --> 00:26:53,259 enjoy talking him now I'm going to ask 586 00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:54,759 you first of all you and I had a 587 00:27:00,659 --> 00:26:58,960 conversation yesterday and I was you 588 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:00,669 know I was out in your town which i 589 00:27:05,639 --> 00:27:02,769 think is pretty ironic the very town you 590 00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:05,649 live in San Rafael California I live 591 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:08,799 there you know and you know exactly when 592 00:27:13,019 --> 00:27:10,330 I told you where i lived where i lived 593 00:27:14,909 --> 00:27:13,029 in these different places and nice and 594 00:27:17,549 --> 00:27:14,919 warm out the it's freezing back here but 595 00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:17,559 i want to ask you what started you on 596 00:27:23,849 --> 00:27:21,279 this path the interest of of the 597 00:27:25,349 --> 00:27:23,859 paranormal in general and and UFOs have 598 00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:25,359 you can touch on that topic as well 599 00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:30,399 absolutely well so my dad is a geologist 600 00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:32,529 he works for the United States 601 00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:35,619 Geological Survey and so science has 602 00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:37,929 been something that has really been very 603 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:38,559 big 604 00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:40,809 my family and my life you know since i 605 00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:45,100 was a child i became my dad's a big 606 00:27:52,139 --> 00:27:48,539 sci-fi fan I became obsessed with aliens 607 00:27:54,779 --> 00:27:52,149 when I was I don't know seven or eight 608 00:27:57,210 --> 00:27:54,789 years old there there was an original 609 00:27:58,889 --> 00:27:57,220 Time Life series books and I don't know 610 00:28:00,360 --> 00:27:58,899 if you remember these books but they 611 00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:00,370 would have this commercial and it would 612 00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,580 say three men were lost in in the middle 613 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:05,919 of the forest one of them suddenly 614 00:28:11,489 --> 00:28:08,740 started floating into the sky towards a 615 00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,499 spaceship like what happened find out in 616 00:28:15,509 --> 00:28:13,360 the time-life mysteries of the unknown 617 00:28:18,989 --> 00:28:15,519 and this was something that just 618 00:28:21,109 --> 00:28:18,999 captured me I had my parents I begged 619 00:28:24,779 --> 00:28:21,119 them to order these books for me I 620 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:24,789 started just there's always been a 621 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:27,369 connection and I'm not exactly sure what 622 00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:29,769 that connection is but I'm finding out 623 00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:32,769 more and more as i get older what that 624 00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:35,080 connection is and i don't know if i 625 00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:38,100 should necessarily go into it right now 626 00:28:46,139 --> 00:28:41,080 on the podcast but i've had some 627 00:28:47,820 --> 00:28:46,149 experiences back in 2007 I was actually 628 00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:47,830 in downtown Walnut Creek California 629 00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:51,840 which is is you know close to san rafael 630 00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,360 and i was getting out of my car going to 631 00:29:01,409 --> 00:28:58,720 kinkos just to fax some some papers and 632 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:01,419 make some copies for the the business 633 00:29:05,879 --> 00:29:03,850 that i was working at then and literally 634 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:05,889 got out of my car looked up into the sky 635 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:09,070 and i had my first UFO sighting in the 636 00:29:14,909 --> 00:29:12,450 middle of the day and i was just 637 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:14,919 astonished it was right before the 638 00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:17,110 iphone came out so you couldn't take 639 00:29:21,629 --> 00:29:19,480 pictures I had a flip phone I couldn't 640 00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:21,639 could you know it wasn't worth it you 641 00:29:26,869 --> 00:29:24,460 know in my mind it was like just look at 642 00:29:29,369 --> 00:29:26,879 this stare at this enjoy this experience 643 00:29:30,570 --> 00:29:29,379 don't try to capture it on your phone 644 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:30,580 because you're not going to get that 645 00:29:36,869 --> 00:29:33,369 picture but that was something that 646 00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:36,879 really just I mean made me a believer 647 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:39,580 and then from that moment on I started 648 00:29:45,509 --> 00:29:42,070 have dry started to have dreams and the 649 00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:45,519 dreams just kept coming and I have these 650 00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:47,980 dreams when I was a child as well there 651 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:50,340 were these dreams that continued 652 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:52,050 continuation dreams 653 00:29:58,790 --> 00:29:56,250 when I was fighting a war and I was in a 654 00:30:02,240 --> 00:29:58,800 war and I was helping people it was an 655 00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:02,250 interplanetary war and without saying 656 00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,380 all this stuff to make me sound you know 657 00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:06,480 totally bizarre and and saying these 658 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:10,620 were these dreams that continued to to 659 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:14,570 grow and move forward as as I got older 660 00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:17,850 in fact I was spending the night at this 661 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:20,580 girls house for the first time ever it 662 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:22,770 was like the first night at spending her 663 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:25,890 house she had three roommates and in it 664 00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:27,570 just happened to be the night that I was 665 00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:30,120 sleeping there I had this dream where 666 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:32,940 forever the UFO was chasing me yeah in 667 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:35,370 all the previous dreams I had but in 668 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:38,250 this particular dream the UFO came and 669 00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:42,090 and you know the light beam came down 670 00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:44,550 from the UFO and suck me up and I 671 00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:48,360 screamed I I stood out of bed and I just 672 00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:50,940 stood there screaming aah at the top of 673 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:54,120 my lungs and i frightened this this poor 674 00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:56,610 girl doesn't that you know you know she 675 00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:59,100 had invited me to spend the night she's 676 00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:01,080 like what what and her roommates come 677 00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:04,350 running in and it was just it was it was 678 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:06,990 laughable I guess the moment but I was 679 00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:09,690 dripping in sweat and I've had these 680 00:31:15,650 --> 00:31:11,700 experiences and they've been a part of 681 00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:15,660 me for my life and so this is something 682 00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:18,750 that I felt that I want to give back to 683 00:31:22,940 --> 00:31:20,550 the community I really feel that truth 684 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:22,950 funders is a way to give back to the 685 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:25,290 community and for our community to have 686 00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,730 a place to you know safely put our 687 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:31,980 projects there without them being mocked 688 00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:35,130 by the rest of the world or shunned by 689 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:38,070 you know some of the bigger crowdfunding 690 00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:40,050 platforms and to actually have a place 691 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:45,360 for us to to trust and and and to you 692 00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:47,610 know and to for the believers to help 693 00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:50,070 fund the people believing and actually 694 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:51,990 getting off their butts and doing 695 00:31:55,790 --> 00:31:54,330 something and creating a project and and 696 00:31:58,340 --> 00:31:55,800 trying to do something good and 697 00:32:02,180 --> 00:31:58,350 different in this world well yeah that's 698 00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:02,190 very good so we're ready to connect with 699 00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:04,230 Jonas but I just want to ask you how 700 00:32:11,030 --> 00:32:05,670 that relationship too 701 00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:11,040 out it didn't um sure shortly thereafter 702 00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:13,380 I didn't have anything to do with that 703 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:16,740 particular you know instance but I'm 704 00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:18,930 happy I'm happily engaged now to a 705 00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:23,460 wonderful woman and she has she has 706 00:32:28,810 --> 00:32:26,040 stood by me while I've gone on this 707 00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:28,820 venture of creating truth funders and 708 00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:31,980 it's it's been you know she's been she's 709 00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:33,390 been right there with me the whole time 710 00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:36,120 in fact she was the one who came up with 711 00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:39,420 the name truth funders after my business 712 00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:41,820 partner and i were trying to tackle a 713 00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,020 proper name for so long so so you know 714 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,720 when you have someone there who doesn't 715 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:51,120 quite necessarily understand but 716 00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:53,250 supports that's a that's a beautiful 717 00:33:02,300 --> 00:32:55,860 thing it really is okay lets up let's 718 00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:02,310 give jonas a try alrighty yeah go ahead 719 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:04,020 just real quickly i heard just a slight 720 00:33:09,140 --> 00:33:06,810 bit of feedback just a second i do you 721 00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:09,150 have ear ear plugs in I mean your your 722 00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:11,550 phones in I do yes okay all right very 723 00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:14,700 good Jonas are you there yes sir I am 724 00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:17,190 how are you tonight very good and Jonas 725 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:18,630 can you pronounce your last name because 726 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:20,610 I think I kind of butchered it you did 727 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:23,250 not you nailed it cachaca is my last 728 00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:25,830 name excellent job okay very good and 729 00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:29,460 you're you're in New York I am long I'm 730 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:31,950 in New York all right so you're on it's 731 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:33,690 you're an eastern standard time and 732 00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:36,570 let's uh let's talk about I like I love 733 00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:41,880 the title of your book OMG UFOs so so 734 00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:44,580 let's let's talk about your book and how 735 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:47,430 this relates to the truth unders well 736 00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,290 thank you so much and I just want to say 737 00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:51,840 it's a pleasure for for you having me on 738 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:54,270 I'm very excited to be here and I'd also 739 00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:56,370 like to thank Mark for acting is my 740 00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:58,380 benefactor with this project it's 741 00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,600 incredibly difficult to gain momentum 742 00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,700 with something like this and you know 743 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:04,320 whether or not the the gum chewing 744 00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:07,650 public likes it ufology is becoming more 745 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:10,620 and more of an established science and 746 00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:12,810 it's slowly penetrating the mainstream 747 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,440 media and as we look across the spectrum 748 00:34:20,770 --> 00:34:18,800 that that transcends 749 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:20,780 that's available for young adults today 750 00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:22,910 and by young adults I mean anywhere from 751 00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:24,740 10 years old all the way up to 18 years 752 00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:27,140 old obviously depending upon a maturity 753 00:34:32,410 --> 00:34:29,540 level what's out there for them in terms 754 00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:32,420 of ufology of course we have shows like 755 00:34:39,910 --> 00:34:36,070 ancient aliens and h2 i think has been 756 00:34:43,660 --> 00:34:39,920 instrumental in our cause and as much as 757 00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:43,670 it exposes it exposes the public to you 758 00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:47,830 follow g but in a very shallow sense and 759 00:34:53,140 --> 00:34:50,780 when they went to young adults want to 760 00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:53,150 go beyond the television and really go 761 00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,120 in depth there's not much out there for 762 00:35:00,460 --> 00:34:57,920 them there there are books that are that 763 00:35:03,610 --> 00:35:00,470 are very deep and probably wouldn't hold 764 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:03,620 the attention span of most at elks that 765 00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:05,990 I know to be honest with you let alone a 766 00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:08,990 young adult so we need something that 767 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:11,960 closes that gap we need something that 768 00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:15,530 goes between ancient aliens and perhaps 769 00:35:19,570 --> 00:35:17,360 a video game that they would be sitting 770 00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,580 in front of four hours or maybe a comic 771 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:21,680 book that's going to entertain them for 772 00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:23,510 10 minutes it's we need something that's 773 00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:25,550 going to grab hold of them and teach 774 00:35:30,190 --> 00:35:28,190 them that this is not something that 775 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:30,200 should be should be frowned upon this is 776 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:32,990 not thing that should be looked as as 777 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:36,890 passe or the rollaway topic you know 778 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:38,630 listening to mark talked earlier about 779 00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:42,890 the experience he had with a UFO and 780 00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,900 before he told his story which was an 781 00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:46,640 excellent story mark if I don't say so 782 00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:50,240 myself he said I don't want to sound 783 00:35:55,870 --> 00:35:53,180 like a crazy person there's something to 784 00:35:59,110 --> 00:35:55,880 that extent and you know what you don't 785 00:36:01,330 --> 00:35:59,120 you don't to me you don't too many other 786 00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,340 people who support what you're doing and 787 00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:04,160 and support this millage in of ufology 788 00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:07,670 and the paranormal it's not a crazy 789 00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:13,580 topic and I think that for years the 790 00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:16,070 mainstream media has hasn't been 791 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:20,180 instilling upon the public that notion 792 00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:23,030 that notion that you follow G is crazy 793 00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:25,790 and now we're slowly starting to make 794 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:27,560 headway there and it's slowly starting 795 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:31,010 to open up to a broader audience if you 796 00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:31,890 will 797 00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:35,940 what OMG UFOs is looking to do is to 798 00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:39,480 expand that aims to not only adults who 799 00:36:43,819 --> 00:36:41,849 have this curiosity but young folks as 800 00:36:46,099 --> 00:36:43,829 well because they're going to be doing 801 00:36:50,839 --> 00:36:46,109 what the three of us are doing right now 802 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:50,849 20 years from there right well I agree 803 00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:53,970 you know there's there seems to be a gap 804 00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:57,839 in in young people with a lot of things 805 00:37:02,509 --> 00:37:00,420 I think what's happened is there's so 806 00:37:06,019 --> 00:37:02,519 much technology flying at them every 807 00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:06,029 which way and so many as they say it's 808 00:37:12,529 --> 00:37:08,940 kind of a rude word but there's so many 809 00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,539 time sucks out there that people get 810 00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:15,599 involved in whether you know it's social 811 00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,579 media whether it's gadgets that and it's 812 00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:22,740 a disposable society and it's a society 813 00:37:28,339 --> 00:37:25,619 where you know the interest a lot of 814 00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:28,349 interests that people have don't go out 815 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:31,049 the door so they just stay in door with 816 00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:32,160 everything that's right at their 817 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:36,569 fingertips so yes I agree that you know 818 00:37:44,299 --> 00:37:39,390 things have to get passed down and the 819 00:37:47,269 --> 00:37:44,309 gaps filled and all that so how did you 820 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:47,279 you get how did you two find each other 821 00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:48,930 how does you know I'm just I'm just 822 00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:50,460 curious how something like this get 823 00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:53,460 started how people network how does that 824 00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:57,359 all work well sure oh go ahead doughnuts 825 00:38:01,819 --> 00:37:58,980 go ahead we could talk about how we 826 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:01,829 first interacted I think it's through 827 00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:04,529 those through those same sort of social 828 00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:06,859 media circles but but go ahead 829 00:38:12,980 --> 00:38:10,500 absolutely there's a there's a fanta 830 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:12,990 show that follows yours Martin on Dark 831 00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:15,450 Matter radio network that's fade to 832 00:38:21,499 --> 00:38:18,359 black with Jimmy Sherrod ah and he's 833 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:21,509 created a social media and Twitter known 834 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:25,740 as the sandbox 22 its followers and I 835 00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:28,049 been working with Jimmy for a while now 836 00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:31,619 as a producer low-level helping book 837 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:33,150 guests on the show and of course 838 00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:36,930 interacting in the sandbox and lo and 839 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:39,150 behold one one night we were talking 840 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:42,660 about truth funders and we're so excited 841 00:38:48,830 --> 00:38:45,510 there's I was working with fade to black 842 00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:48,840 and just as a throwaway comment dyad 843 00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,660 said hooray for truth funders they're 844 00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:53,160 going to be helping me publish my book 845 00:38:59,420 --> 00:38:55,880 next year they just don't know it yet 846 00:39:02,180 --> 00:38:59,430 but and you know more contacted me after 847 00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:02,190 that only said hey uh serious were you 848 00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:04,740 about that and the relationship sort 849 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:07,110 blossomed from there once I got to learn 850 00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:10,050 what truth funders was really about how 851 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:13,920 sincere marks intentions were well he 852 00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:16,200 had me he had me at hello as they say 853 00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:19,140 mm-hmm that's really really kind of you 854 00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,920 to say it's it's hard you know um and I 855 00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:25,920 believe and what I love about what Jonas 856 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:28,260 is doing and specifically about his book 857 00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:32,880 is that I think that I look back to the 858 00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:35,100 time when I was six seven eight years 859 00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:37,800 old and obsessed with UFOs you know 860 00:39:43,220 --> 00:39:40,710 because I did wind up getting those 861 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:43,230 time-life books but the next thing the 862 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:45,690 next evolution for me was wit least 863 00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,510 rebours communion and so i went ahead 864 00:39:52,460 --> 00:39:50,640 and i bought that and i think i was in 865 00:39:55,630 --> 00:39:52,470 third grade and i started reading 866 00:39:58,700 --> 00:39:55,640 communion now you can imagine anybody 867 00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,710 looking at a nine year old or nine or 868 00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:01,440 ten year old reading this book with this 869 00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:03,660 alien on the cover and it was in 870 00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:06,120 in-depth book I don't think I understood 871 00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,700 half of what I was reading but I needed 872 00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:11,280 to know more and I needed to understand 873 00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:15,680 more and so I do think that there is 874 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:18,510 youth that's out there that there are 875 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:20,910 young people that really want to know 876 00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:23,010 more about this maybe they have had 877 00:40:27,350 --> 00:40:25,500 experiences in their life and so they're 878 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:27,360 trying to figure out and and their 879 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,010 brains are trying to figure out exactly 880 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:32,160 what happened and connect the dots or 881 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:34,290 maybe they're just really interested in 882 00:40:40,070 --> 00:40:37,290 it and it's not there there's not enough 883 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:40,080 out there to connect them to it a lot of 884 00:40:45,260 --> 00:40:43,110 it is is the lower which I I mean I love 885 00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:45,270 this stuff as well but you know knowing 886 00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:48,780 about secret military bases and UFO 887 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:52,110 flyovers that happen and getting down 888 00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:55,290 into the nitty-gritty that some of you 889 00:40:59,570 --> 00:40:56,040 know the stuff that we 890 00:41:03,410 --> 00:40:59,580 cover on a lot of podcasts has to offer 891 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:03,420 that's great but for being you know 8 9 892 00:41:10,610 --> 00:41:07,770 10 11 12 13 14 15 sometimes that can be 893 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:10,620 a little bit over the head or a little 894 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:13,170 overwhelming and so to ease into that 895 00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,170 and to start understanding that there is 896 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:18,240 there really is something happening 897 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:21,810 there really is something that we can 898 00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,650 explain that's going on out there I mean 899 00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:27,480 I support that project one hundred 900 00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:29,880 percent and Jonas's project is actually 901 00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:34,200 one of the ones that's doing the best on 902 00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:36,180 the site so far and like I said we've 903 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:37,860 only been out for a week and a half two 904 00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:40,610 weeks and we've had a ton of traffic but 905 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:44,880 Jonas's is is really starting to to take 906 00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,130 off a little bit more and I think that 907 00:41:51,350 --> 00:41:49,500 once people trust the site and once we 908 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,360 get a little bit more awareness to the 909 00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:54,480 site like you haven't you had rojas on 910 00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:57,480 the very beginning of your podcast man i 911 00:42:02,060 --> 00:41:59,820 would love for him to I would love to 912 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:02,070 just connect with him and for had to 913 00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,930 have him explain what truth funders is 914 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:05,820 trying to do because we want to do 915 00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,910 research there we want people to to pay 916 00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:10,800 for some of the research that's going on 917 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:13,320 and crowd fund that to help open the 918 00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:17,850 doors to what is really going on in this 919 00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:20,520 community and in this world that that we 920 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:24,300 can't explain and I'm one less thing i 921 00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:26,220 know i just talked for like 5 minutes 922 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:28,470 right there but i do think that there is 923 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:31,650 this youth that has been watching 924 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:34,490 ancient aliens and that is really into 925 00:42:42,380 --> 00:42:39,410 alien culture and ufology culture and 926 00:42:45,350 --> 00:42:42,390 they just they're on twitter they're on 927 00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:45,360 facebook they are doing the social media 928 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:48,030 and so hopefully that's what we're 929 00:42:52,610 --> 00:42:49,890 trying to do with truth funders to is 930 00:42:54,380 --> 00:42:52,620 reach out to people and reach out to 931 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:54,390 people that want to do projects using 932 00:43:00,740 --> 00:42:57,210 social media and those tactics to try to 933 00:43:03,310 --> 00:43:00,750 get that younger generation involved and 934 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:03,320 not just you know through word of mouth 935 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:07,770 you know i have a google analytics on my 936 00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:09,890 site and it seems to 937 00:43:18,970 --> 00:43:14,200 me that there are you know the the 938 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:18,980 percentages of 18 to 35 is absolutely 939 00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:21,410 three quarters of my listening audience 940 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:24,550 or at least that visit the website and 941 00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:28,610 so there are young people involved in 942 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:33,260 actually looking I do believe however it 943 00:43:37,870 --> 00:43:34,970 could be just because it's an internet 944 00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:37,880 thing a podcast easy to find all that 945 00:43:41,830 --> 00:43:39,980 because what is happening you know 946 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:41,840 getting back to the younger people less 947 00:43:47,830 --> 00:43:45,410 involved is across the board every type 948 00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:47,840 of conference you can imagine whether 949 00:43:52,570 --> 00:43:50,180 it's in the field that I'm involved in 950 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:52,580 for you know antiques or any type of 951 00:43:58,330 --> 00:43:55,730 collectibles right across the board the 952 00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,340 attendance the young attendance is is 953 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:00,800 way down and mm-hmm you know I just 954 00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:02,650 think it's because everything is geared 955 00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:06,940 indoor and including this podcast and 956 00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,270 and and everything digital basically you 957 00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:14,560 hit it oh you hit it right on the head 958 00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:17,120 you know when I went to my first MUFON 959 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,750 meeting it was a year ago and when I 960 00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:22,160 went there I was the youngest person 961 00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:26,030 there I'm 30-34 years old and I was by 962 00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:28,340 far the youngest person at this MUFON 963 00:44:32,860 --> 00:44:30,680 meeting but I know that there's people 964 00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:32,870 my age I know there's people way younger 965 00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:35,480 who were super into this and if you type 966 00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:39,110 in podcast UFO I mean what great search 967 00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:41,960 terms are that right so people who are 968 00:44:47,290 --> 00:44:44,750 looking for it can can find it it's it's 969 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:47,300 a way for them to to connect and that's 970 00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:49,130 I'm sure that's why you're seeing on 971 00:44:53,110 --> 00:44:51,230 your google analytics because those 972 00:44:55,870 --> 00:44:53,120 people are interested and they are there 973 00:44:58,450 --> 00:44:55,880 and they and and it's a great way your 974 00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:58,460 podcast and the way that you're able to 975 00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,000 have podcast UFO be your keywords those 976 00:45:06,970 --> 00:45:03,920 are just such beautiful wonderful 977 00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:06,980 magical keywords well as if I funny you 978 00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:08,300 say that you know a few people have 979 00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,270 teased me about that but that's 100% the 980 00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,760 reason will hi I chose the name I 981 00:45:18,730 --> 00:45:15,440 thought well I want to do a podcast on 982 00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:18,740 UFOs what is the simplest thing I can 983 00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:21,500 make it so people can find it but it is 984 00:45:25,570 --> 00:45:23,540 it is kind of a silly name but it 985 00:45:28,030 --> 00:45:25,580 only works as far as so much traffic 986 00:45:31,540 --> 00:45:28,040 that my website has been crashed twice 987 00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:31,550 in the last up six months and hopefully 988 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:35,990 it won't happen again yeah and we can 989 00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:37,850 only hope but that's I mean that's a 990 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:40,430 great sign and and you hit it on you 991 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:43,250 know you really that's right on because 992 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:45,410 in this new world in order to reach 993 00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:48,170 people people are plugged in and the 994 00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:50,150 youth is plugged in I mean I take a look 995 00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:53,660 at my five-year-old nephew and he has 996 00:46:01,330 --> 00:45:58,640 his designated amazon fire module that 997 00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:01,340 lets him play any game he wants but only 998 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:02,900 lets him play it for an hour and a half 999 00:46:07,330 --> 00:46:04,610 before it cuts him off for the rest of 1000 00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,340 the day I mean people are plugged in if 1001 00:46:11,290 --> 00:46:09,200 you if you walk outside on the streets 1002 00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,300 when we were kids we'd be outside 1003 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:13,760 playing Baseball or skateboarding or 1004 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:16,130 doing doing these things and it's not 1005 00:46:20,140 --> 00:46:17,810 like you don't see that it's not like 1006 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:20,150 it's not happening still but for the 1007 00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:22,970 most part I would say there's a much 1008 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:26,420 much smaller majority of that of that 1009 00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,090 happening and what we're seeing is 1010 00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:31,280 people on the computers or playing video 1011 00:46:36,970 --> 00:46:35,270 games and and in doing that and those 1012 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:36,980 are the people that we want to reach and 1013 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:39,530 say like hey it's okay you know if you 1014 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:41,450 have had an experience if you want to 1015 00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:43,010 write a book about it you could do that 1016 00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:46,310 on truth funders reach out to us if you 1017 00:46:51,550 --> 00:46:48,320 have a documentary that you want to 1018 00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:51,560 create reach out to us there's people 1019 00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:53,030 out there that you know they work their 1020 00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:55,100 day jobs they come home they're looking 1021 00:47:01,300 --> 00:46:57,320 for the next news or something to be a 1022 00:47:03,610 --> 00:47:01,310 part of they might not go to the the 1023 00:47:05,890 --> 00:47:03,620 conferences because conferences are 1024 00:47:08,830 --> 00:47:05,900 could be scary you don't know a lot of 1025 00:47:11,970 --> 00:47:08,840 people it is an older generation so if 1026 00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:11,980 we can get this younger generation 1027 00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:14,630 involves somehow and and maybe that is 1028 00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:16,760 going to a conference but if it's not 1029 00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:19,790 the next best thing is something like a 1030 00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:22,520 truth funders or a podcast UFO where 1031 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:26,420 people can be involved and and and feel 1032 00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:29,690 free to do it in that way mmm no 1033 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:32,510 gentleman I'm sorry yeah I just wanted 1034 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:34,970 to add this briefly I'm a father of 1035 00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:36,330 three and 1036 00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:39,270 well my oldest my 17 year old daughter 1037 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:42,630 probably wouldn't notice a UFO unless it 1038 00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:44,730 landed on my house and Bruno Mars 1039 00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:48,110 stepped out of it my ten-year-old son 1040 00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:52,680 Julian is Incred fascinated with you 1041 00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:54,900 follow G you know he'll sit and watch 1042 00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:57,930 shows like ancient aliens with me he 1043 00:48:02,990 --> 00:47:59,640 tells me he discusses it with his 1044 00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:03,000 friends at school the other day he came 1045 00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:05,700 up to me it was such a proud moment he 1046 00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:09,060 said dad once cakes Berg and I said oh 1047 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:11,340 my goodness and we SAT and had 1048 00:48:15,110 --> 00:48:13,650 accusation about cats lair we've bought 1049 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:15,120 a telescope and we've got him going 1050 00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,530 outside and we look at the Stars 1051 00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:19,200 obviously not tonight at 17 degrees but 1052 00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:21,660 when it's a bit warmer outside you bet 1053 00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:22,980 we're out there we're looking at the 1054 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:25,950 Stars just want to get involved with 1055 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:31,530 this and I think maybe it was simply 1056 00:48:40,220 --> 00:48:36,450 maybe not but the exposure that UFOs 1057 00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,230 have gotten in mainstream media even if 1058 00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:43,140 it's in mediums like movies where it's 1059 00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,510 an Independence Day or it's a men in 1060 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:48,480 black and there's a slightly comedic 1061 00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:51,210 twist to it still raising those 1062 00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:55,040 questions and a pop I think that it is 1063 00:49:01,280 --> 00:48:59,520 excuse me more or less intrinsic for us 1064 00:49:04,460 --> 00:49:01,290 as human beings to have a relationship 1065 00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:04,470 with the sky to look up and say what's 1066 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:07,560 up there what am I doing here now 1067 00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:10,050 perhaps I was a strange child well I 1068 00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:12,780 know I was a strange child but I asked 1069 00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:15,300 question I know that there were other 1070 00:49:19,940 --> 00:49:17,310 children that asked that question and I 1071 00:49:22,100 --> 00:49:19,950 think that that relationship the Stars 1072 00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:22,110 was severed whether it was set on 1073 00:49:28,580 --> 00:49:25,080 purpose or not I can't attest to that 1074 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:28,590 but i will say that there's some time 1075 00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:31,650 ago probably within the 1900s and it i 1076 00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:33,750 do think Martin that what you say about 1077 00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:36,560 technology is spot on accurate our 1078 00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:40,080 connection to the heavens has been 1079 00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:42,780 interrupted it's been terminated to a 1080 00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:46,740 certain degree and it it shows like like 1081 00:49:50,989 --> 00:49:49,319 podcast UFO it's organizations 1082 00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:50,999 truth funders that are gonna they're 1083 00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:54,839 going to get that connection reunited so 1084 00:50:00,650 --> 00:49:57,930 that again the generation of tomorrow 1085 00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:00,660 won't struggle the way that we struggle 1086 00:50:06,739 --> 00:50:04,079 when it comes to spread delves on topics 1087 00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:06,749 like ufology like oh it doesn't matter 1088 00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:08,339 whether we're talking about Bigfoot or 1089 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:10,859 we're talking about greys there's a 1090 00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:12,890 certain stigma that's attached to us 1091 00:50:19,279 --> 00:50:15,900 whereas people are ready to jump out and 1092 00:50:20,359 --> 00:50:19,289 scream 2 foot putts tin foil hats we're 1093 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:20,369 nuts there's there's something wrong 1094 00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:22,650 with us because it needed with this no 1095 00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:25,380 there's nothing wrong with us this is as 1096 00:50:31,930 --> 00:50:28,859 natural as trees in a meadow or fish 1097 00:50:34,189 --> 00:50:31,940 swimming in a brook there are 1098 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:34,199 extraterrestrials I have no problem 1099 00:50:38,689 --> 00:50:36,089 saying that and I think that anybody who 1100 00:50:41,799 --> 00:50:38,699 can't acknowledge the fact that there 1101 00:50:44,269 --> 00:50:41,809 has to be something beyond this planet 1102 00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:44,279 has serious issues either that have 1103 00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:46,380 they've been brain won't know but I 1104 00:50:52,009 --> 00:50:50,579 really hope that that again my book in 1105 00:50:53,749 --> 00:50:52,019 my project as well as some of the other 1106 00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:53,759 projects that are on truth funders they 1107 00:51:02,029 --> 00:50:57,839 can they can really help expose what it 1108 00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,039 is that is a passion of us to that that 1109 00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:05,160 much more of us of the population even 1110 00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:08,339 if we get one more person hey we grow 1111 00:51:13,189 --> 00:51:11,670 that much stronger yeah hey just to let 1112 00:51:15,049 --> 00:51:13,199 you know there's there's some type of 1113 00:51:17,779 --> 00:51:15,059 signal issue you've been cutting in and 1114 00:51:20,269 --> 00:51:17,789 out a little bit and I don't know if if 1115 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:20,279 there's a Wi-Fi issue or something like 1116 00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:23,130 that there I just want to let you know 1117 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:27,440 that and so Jonas before you head out 1118 00:51:35,049 --> 00:51:29,609 you're going to be on just a few more 1119 00:51:37,759 --> 00:51:35,059 minutes let's see what what started you 1120 00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:37,769 down the path of the interest in this 1121 00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:39,660 and have you written have you written 1122 00:51:44,209 --> 00:51:42,180 books or any type of book before or is 1123 00:51:46,489 --> 00:51:44,219 just the first one this will be my first 1124 00:51:48,289 --> 00:51:46,499 book I have a bunch of projects that are 1125 00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:48,299 on hold at the moment because of this 1126 00:51:54,499 --> 00:51:50,819 one I've written blog posts here and 1127 00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:54,509 there it's always been something that I 1128 00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:57,900 wanted to do but I have to say as Mark 1129 00:52:02,870 --> 00:51:59,819 said earlier and hoping that the 1130 00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:02,880 connection is better now I did not know 1131 00:52:09,289 --> 00:52:07,710 how to to be guessed that it is I didn't 1132 00:52:11,749 --> 00:52:09,299 think it was possible in terms of 1133 00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:11,759 funding and what truth thunders has done 1134 00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:14,670 for me personally it is giving me an 1135 00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:17,430 opportunity down and write this book and 1136 00:52:22,509 --> 00:52:19,529 and get it out there to people so I 1137 00:52:25,309 --> 00:52:22,519 could get some sort of momentum because 1138 00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:25,319 without it I was lost I really didn't 1139 00:52:29,539 --> 00:52:27,900 know where to begin I had the idea i 1140 00:52:32,029 --> 00:52:29,549 know that i had other ideas and we've 1141 00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:32,039 spoken about those as well I just didn't 1142 00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:34,140 know how to begin it's it's a it's a 1143 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:37,380 formidable task for somebody who doesn't 1144 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:39,690 have exposure while I've written before 1145 00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:42,089 writing on this topic is is rather 1146 00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:44,940 unique you have you can't approach just 1147 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:47,460 any part there with the topic like 1148 00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:50,250 ufology they're going to look at it with 1149 00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:53,369 a bit of a campaign you as I said 1150 00:53:02,059 --> 00:52:57,720 earlier yeah we have a bad signal on 1151 00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:02,069 your line as well so so i think i think 1152 00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:05,369 i'm going to say that will probably be 1153 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:07,500 it for you do you have a website or 1154 00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:10,170 anything you want to get out there yeah 1155 00:53:15,499 --> 00:53:12,390 I'd like to I'd like anybody to go to 1156 00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:15,509 truth under scom and if you don't 1157 00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,089 support my project support any project 1158 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:19,680 and tell your friends about it because 1159 00:53:23,299 --> 00:53:22,170 it's a great site Marta thank you so 1160 00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:23,309 much for having me on I really 1161 00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,380 appreciate the opportunity you're very 1162 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:27,839 welcome Thank You Jonas appreciated 1163 00:53:32,019 --> 00:53:29,970 thanks for coming on you guys have a 1164 00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:32,029 great night thanks so much thank you eat 1165 00:53:39,859 --> 00:53:35,609 alright so let me just do something here 1166 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:39,869 okay here we go and so we're back with 1167 00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:44,730 just you mark alright and that sounds 1168 00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,430 better the signals much better now and 1169 00:53:52,789 --> 00:53:50,400 yeah so mark we have we have about five 1170 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:52,799 five or six minutes to to the top to the 1171 00:53:57,470 --> 00:53:55,170 hour and there was a question here if 1172 00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:57,480 you don't mind I'm going to ask ask you 1173 00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:00,480 this question please for the first 1174 00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:03,660 speaker he sounds like he feels he's a 1175 00:54:15,849 --> 00:54:09,599 contact he is that is that so or is that 1176 00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:15,859 just what someone is speculating um hi 1177 00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:18,950 I you know I couldn't quite answer that 1178 00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:24,319 I feel that probably deep down yes is 1179 00:54:32,799 --> 00:54:29,630 there proof no but I've definitely just 1180 00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:32,809 been really really intrigued and 1181 00:54:44,799 --> 00:54:37,849 fascinated with UFOs and aliens for as 1182 00:54:47,140 --> 00:54:44,809 long as I can remember in fact it was 1183 00:54:51,549 --> 00:54:47,150 just it was just last week I think it 1184 00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,559 was last monday i went to go and walk my 1185 00:54:58,299 --> 00:54:54,319 dog it was 130 am and I walk outside 1186 00:55:01,749 --> 00:54:58,309 take three steps and I look up and I see 1187 00:55:04,839 --> 00:55:01,759 a for the second time of my life I see 1188 00:55:08,739 --> 00:55:04,849 three lights I mean really big lights 1189 00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:08,749 very close a half mile away that are 1190 00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,200 never there ever I ran back inside I 1191 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:15,200 grabbed my my phone I wound up going 1192 00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:16,730 back and the lights were still there 1193 00:55:23,769 --> 00:55:19,460 it's a little bit further away around a 1194 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:23,779 bit uh snapping six pictures and 1195 00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:25,970 throwing them on Twitter instantly just 1196 00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:28,910 like boom boom boom boom from being 1197 00:55:36,279 --> 00:55:32,960 there until it disappeared have I been 1198 00:55:37,690 --> 00:55:36,289 contacted you know i don't i don't know 1199 00:55:40,059 --> 00:55:37,700 i don't know if there's something about 1200 00:55:42,489 --> 00:55:40,069 the cover of witless Reavers book that 1201 00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,499 struck me as a child that i felt that i 1202 00:55:48,099 --> 00:55:45,200 needed to read it i don't i don't have 1203 00:55:50,259 --> 00:55:48,109 an answer one way or another but i have 1204 00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:50,269 had dreams and it's been something that 1205 00:55:57,759 --> 00:55:52,910 stuck with me and enough to to go ahead 1206 00:55:59,620 --> 00:55:57,769 and create a platform for people to to 1207 00:56:02,979 --> 00:55:59,630 create projects to try to figure out the 1208 00:56:04,809 --> 00:56:02,989 truth mm-hmm you know it's funny I I had 1209 00:56:08,829 --> 00:56:04,819 a conversation with my son a few weeks 1210 00:56:10,779 --> 00:56:08,839 ago and and I thought I had my second 1211 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:10,789 sighting but you know I said to him I'm 1212 00:56:13,989 --> 00:56:12,170 not even going to talk I'm not even 1213 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:13,999 going to talk about it and the reason 1214 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:15,410 I'm not going to talk about it is 1215 00:56:23,410 --> 00:56:19,970 because it would seem the first one was 1216 00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:23,420 unreal to have first of all and the 1217 00:56:29,799 --> 00:56:26,150 second one like I don't even want to 1218 00:56:32,279 --> 00:56:29,809 talk about it because I'm afraid that 1219 00:56:35,130 --> 00:56:32,289 I might lose a little bit of credibility 1220 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:35,140 you know being a host of the show 1221 00:56:40,299 --> 00:56:38,170 because a lot of times when people say 1222 00:56:41,890 --> 00:56:40,309 you know they had this sighting they had 1223 00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:41,900 that sighting and they have so many 1224 00:56:46,989 --> 00:56:44,390 sightings you know you start to think 1225 00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:46,999 hmm you know all right maybe I'm 1226 00:56:51,819 --> 00:56:50,689 overthinking it but uh but you can't get 1227 00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:51,829 it out of me I'm not going to talk about 1228 00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:54,799 it right right I mean and that's how I 1229 00:56:59,920 --> 00:56:57,650 feel too it's a that the one sighting I 1230 00:57:01,900 --> 00:56:59,930 had talked about with particular people 1231 00:57:03,489 --> 00:57:01,910 just some people here and there the the 1232 00:57:05,799 --> 00:57:03,499 one that happened in walnut creek 1233 00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:05,809 california and i had researched that I 1234 00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,180 mean for years I would go online and 1235 00:57:12,370 --> 00:57:10,400 research and research the date and look 1236 00:57:14,229 --> 00:57:12,380 for it and see if anything else happened 1237 00:57:15,999 --> 00:57:14,239 if anybody else saw anything that was 1238 00:57:19,390 --> 00:57:16,009 clear as day that was during the day 1239 00:57:21,939 --> 00:57:19,400 this other one was you know just a week 1240 00:57:24,699 --> 00:57:21,949 ago and it was after I've started this 1241 00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:24,709 truth funder stuff there's been some 1242 00:57:27,759 --> 00:57:26,119 there's been a couple of weird wacky 1243 00:57:30,279 --> 00:57:27,769 things that have happened since I've 1244 00:57:32,529 --> 00:57:30,289 since you know this the conception of 1245 00:57:36,009 --> 00:57:32,539 this and it was started with my business 1246 00:57:38,169 --> 00:57:36,019 partner he you know used to work at sort 1247 00:57:40,410 --> 00:57:38,179 of a bigwig at AOL Time Warner he's 1248 00:57:45,069 --> 00:57:40,420 created three other businesses all I've 1249 00:57:50,919 --> 00:57:45,079 done really well and sold yeah you know 1250 00:57:52,569 --> 00:57:50,929 I'm i have a very legitimate past you 1251 00:57:55,029 --> 00:57:52,579 know like i said earlier being nominated 1252 00:57:57,489 --> 00:57:55,039 for for some prestigious awards it's 1253 00:58:01,029 --> 00:57:57,499 it's kind of strange to come out and 1254 00:58:03,699 --> 00:58:01,039 talk about all this stuff but for what 1255 00:58:06,009 --> 00:58:03,709 i'm doing the you know and creating 1256 00:58:10,059 --> 00:58:06,019 right here truth funders it's it's a 1257 00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:10,069 necessity to kind of talk about things 1258 00:58:14,439 --> 00:58:12,049 that happen I mean there's people that 1259 00:58:16,809 --> 00:58:14,449 I'm sure I've seen ghosts have seen 1260 00:58:19,179 --> 00:58:16,819 strange lights in the sky that will not 1261 00:58:21,939 --> 00:58:19,189 admit to it or will not not talk about 1262 00:58:26,049 --> 00:58:21,949 it I don't think that you know the more 1263 00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:26,059 that we keep it to ourselves the more it 1264 00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:29,569 just remains taboo and you know if what 1265 00:58:36,489 --> 00:58:31,880 I saw in the sky the other night was not 1266 00:58:38,459 --> 00:58:36,499 a UFO or some strange object and it 1267 00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:38,469 wasn't and that's great and that's fine 1268 00:58:45,140 --> 00:58:42,270 and you know I I don't 1269 00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,150 care if something is rue is real or not 1270 00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:47,520 as long as there's proof and there's 1271 00:58:54,910 --> 00:58:50,700 truth on you know like with with the 1272 00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:54,920 underwater Malibu base with with Jimmy 1273 00:59:00,290 --> 00:58:57,870 I'm sure you've heard about that they 1274 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:00,300 discovered that through google maps you 1275 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:03,930 know it whether or not but if we're ever 1276 00:59:09,050 --> 00:59:05,850 able to go down there and discover it 1277 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:09,060 and let's say it is UFO base well heck 1278 00:59:13,460 --> 00:59:11,730 we just nailed the jackpot but let's say 1279 00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:13,470 it's not a UFO base and it's rock 1280 00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,110 formations we know what now we know that 1281 00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:18,720 and now we know the truth and that's all 1282 00:59:22,790 --> 00:59:20,940 that that's all that I care about and I 1283 00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:22,800 think that's what we what we all care 1284 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:25,430 about is is finding out the answers to 1285 00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:28,410 to these items like what's what's real 1286 00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:33,470 what's not and and it doesn't have to be 1287 00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:37,200 X Files music playing before you know 1288 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:38,790 when you're watching the news and and 1289 00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:40,530 they're talking about a sighting that 10 1290 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:42,420 different people saw and so it's 1291 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:44,490 actually making the news and then they 1292 00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:47,130 play the UFO or the x-files music just 1293 00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:49,740 to kind of make it can't be it doesn't 1294 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:51,390 have to be that way it can just be 1295 00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:54,050 people explaining what they see or 1296 00:59:59,060 --> 00:59:56,700 talking about what they see or what 1297 01:00:03,100 --> 00:59:59,070 they've experienced it shouldn't be 1298 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:03,110 taboo well getting back to the Malibu 1299 01:00:09,590 --> 01:00:07,290 underwater thing I had a conversation 1300 01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:09,600 with Jimmy church I'm not Jimmy church 1301 01:00:15,530 --> 01:00:12,390 I'm sorry with Lee Spiegel about that he 1302 01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:15,540 was and he found out some geological 1303 01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,910 information about that and was due to go 1304 01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:20,400 on Jimmy churches show and then Jimmy 1305 01:00:27,530 --> 01:00:24,720 church did not call him so I think that 1306 01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:27,540 has been explained but that's like you 1307 01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:29,310 said that's just another one of the 1308 01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:32,070 things that people are are looking to 1309 01:00:38,210 --> 01:00:35,190 find the answers for just real quick 1310 01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:38,220 because we're at the top of the hour did 1311 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:40,260 you I'm going to say I'm going to admit 1312 01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:42,530 that I didn't report what I saw recently 1313 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:47,670 I just I just didn't and I just wondered 1314 01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:50,730 and shame on me and I wonder did you 1315 01:00:55,579 --> 01:00:54,020 report either one of your sightings um I 1316 01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:55,589 reported it on 1317 01:01:01,819 --> 01:00:59,130 Twitter but did I record it on on the 1318 01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:01,829 MUFON site I did not yeah just wondering 1319 01:01:05,989 --> 01:01:04,049 and it just kind of goes along with what 1320 01:01:07,999 --> 01:01:05,999 I've seen in audiences when the 1321 01:01:10,489 --> 01:01:08,009 questions asked how many people have 1322 01:01:12,259 --> 01:01:10,499 think they've seen a UFO the hands go up 1323 01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,269 how many people reported it it's about 1324 01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:15,119 ten percent right so all right I think 1325 01:01:20,299 --> 01:01:17,369 that's kind of a fascinating number and 1326 01:01:23,870 --> 01:01:20,309 I i understand it all right so we're 1327 01:01:27,219 --> 01:01:23,880 coming up this is it for this part of 1328 01:01:29,959 --> 01:01:27,229 the show and if you're listening live 1329 01:01:33,549 --> 01:01:29,969 hang in here I have to do all kinds of 1330 01:01:36,019 --> 01:01:33,559 things at once here yeah and and I think 1331 01:01:40,279 --> 01:01:36,029 just if I could say real quick I think 1332 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:40,289 Jimmy and and we do wound up you know 1333 01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:42,450 working out all the difference all the 1334 01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:43,950 difference whatever happened I think 1335 01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:47,609 there was a you know they they had a 1336 01:01:52,819 --> 01:01:49,710 show together and all that stuff worked 1337 01:01:55,479 --> 01:01:52,829 out so that was that was good but that I 1338 01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,489 didn't know I did not know that part so 1339 01:02:00,739 --> 01:01:58,319 yeah all right so we're coming back 1340 01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:00,749 we're coming back in the next hour and 1341 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:03,900 we're going to have Rick fire is on for 1342 01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:37,529 ro hi there is this rick yet for Rick 1343 01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:40,720 you are on podcast UFO inhaling I hang 1344 01:02:47,219 --> 01:02:43,660 on just a second my my computer is going 1345 01:02:49,950 --> 01:02:47,229 wild here welcome to the show oh thank 1346 01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:49,960 you pleasure to be here and you're also 1347 01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,210 out on the west coast I see by your area 1348 01:02:58,079 --> 01:02:55,119 code you have for all in the fall from 1349 01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,089 football Bay Area yep and you know it's 1350 01:03:02,819 --> 01:03:00,640 funny I wish I was into the topic more 1351 01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:02,829 when I had my sighting out there that I 1352 01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:05,470 had back in two thousand six but I 1353 01:03:11,309 --> 01:03:08,710 didn't become active in this into 2011 1354 01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,319 as far as you know the show but i really 1355 01:03:15,539 --> 01:03:13,359 wish i had the show going and i was out 1356 01:03:18,269 --> 01:03:15,549 there because it seems to be seems to be 1357 01:03:21,989 --> 01:03:18,279 quite a nucleus of people involved in 1358 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:21,999 the bay area in UFOs well that makes 1359 01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:23,890 perfect sense of course because they're 1360 01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:26,920 certainly an unique energy out here in 1361 01:03:32,190 --> 01:03:28,900 general you know especially within the 1362 01:03:35,999 --> 01:03:32,200 past 40 years and and a generally 1363 01:03:38,729 --> 01:03:36,009 positive you know energy out here in 1364 01:03:42,479 --> 01:03:38,739 terms of you know the heart of a 1365 01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:42,489 peacemaking generation and like right 1366 01:03:49,289 --> 01:03:46,089 now marc was telling me earlier that you 1367 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:49,299 are into it's something about 1368 01:03:56,370 --> 01:03:52,690 intergalactic politics is that referred 1369 01:03:58,109 --> 01:03:56,380 that that's the that's going to that is 1370 01:04:01,049 --> 01:03:58,119 what i'm writing right now for my next 1371 01:04:02,999 --> 01:04:01,059 series i wrote a sci-fi trilogy about 1372 01:04:07,380 --> 01:04:03,009 World War through P that was the keepers 1373 01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:07,390 and now i'm working on a satisfaction i 1374 01:04:11,849 --> 01:04:08,529 like to call it because a very 1375 01:04:15,269 --> 01:04:11,859 fact-based but you know as an adventure 1376 01:04:18,029 --> 01:04:15,279 story bound with facts about what 1377 01:04:20,579 --> 01:04:18,039 appears to be the intergalactic politics 1378 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:20,589 that are affecting earth all right you 1379 01:04:26,849 --> 01:04:23,890 know and it's interesting so Rick's 1380 01:04:29,609 --> 01:04:26,859 first series the keepers it was it was a 1381 01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:29,619 really big seller on amazon for for a 1382 01:04:35,050 --> 01:04:33,110 long time we came out several years ago 1383 01:04:38,370 --> 01:04:35,060 and Rick was also you know at comic-con 1384 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:38,380 or wondercon or maybe you were at both 1385 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:42,370 yeah for many years I lip all of them 1386 01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:46,010 yeah and and his his books are 1387 01:04:51,310 --> 01:04:48,470 fascinating and like he said he does he 1388 01:04:54,130 --> 01:04:51,320 knows a ton of research I mean research 1389 01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,140 talking to professor's at UC Berkeley 1390 01:04:59,620 --> 01:04:56,720 and Stanford and and all over the place 1391 01:05:01,840 --> 01:04:59,630 to get the right type of sort of 1392 01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:01,850 futurist technology that he needs for 1393 01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:06,800 his novels but his new novel he he's 1394 01:05:11,170 --> 01:05:08,630 creating it and I actually wanted to 1395 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:11,180 touch base with them he's going to be 1396 01:05:15,940 --> 01:05:13,130 creating a truth funders project around 1397 01:05:17,980 --> 01:05:15,950 it the truth funders project is not up 1398 01:05:19,330 --> 01:05:17,990 yet but that's something that we're 1399 01:05:22,270 --> 01:05:19,340 working on and will be up in the next 1400 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:22,280 couple days but I just wanted to 1401 01:05:27,820 --> 01:05:23,930 interject real quick and throw that out 1402 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:27,830 there and intergalactic politics it's 1403 01:05:33,550 --> 01:05:31,370 it's I saw Rick give a speech at a MUFON 1404 01:05:35,260 --> 01:05:33,560 meeting and it was on inter galactic 1405 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:35,270 politics and I just found it 1406 01:05:45,580 --> 01:05:41,090 extraordinary yeah yeah yeah I often get 1407 01:05:47,620 --> 01:05:45,590 my information from solid sources as 1408 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:47,630 Marco saying you know also you know 1409 01:05:52,570 --> 01:05:49,490 articles and the like you know whether 1410 01:05:56,290 --> 01:05:52,580 it's in York Times or government Bureau 1411 01:05:58,060 --> 01:05:56,300 you know files and you know this is a 1412 01:06:01,300 --> 01:05:58,070 little different than a lot of people in 1413 01:06:03,370 --> 01:06:01,310 our community where a lot of it is taken 1414 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:03,380 from areas where it's preaching to the 1415 01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:05,930 choir and so sometimes it's hard for the 1416 01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:08,870 mainstream to trust it but I derive my 1417 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:11,510 fax from places where the mainstream 1418 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:14,330 trust and it's remarkable how those 1419 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:17,210 facts are out there if you filter them 1420 01:06:22,450 --> 01:06:19,730 out they're quite obviously there which 1421 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:22,460 is which is really fascinating yeah can 1422 01:06:28,990 --> 01:06:25,970 you elaborate more on yes sir yet one 1423 01:06:31,690 --> 01:06:29,000 potent example is the Roswell 1424 01:06:33,850 --> 01:06:31,700 investigation now of course you know the 1425 01:06:35,950 --> 01:06:33,860 government avoided you know releasing 1426 01:06:37,780 --> 01:06:35,960 any reports for quite some time on and 1427 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:37,790 finally in the 90s they release the 1428 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:40,490 report news it was so desperate it was 1429 01:06:44,290 --> 01:06:42,650 called case closed you know like just 1430 01:06:46,450 --> 01:06:44,300 trying to shove it down your throat that 1431 01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:46,460 that's is it which is you know 1432 01:06:52,089 --> 01:06:49,369 ridiculous titles it's not close just 1433 01:06:54,460 --> 01:06:52,099 because they say so but you know on its 1434 01:06:56,410 --> 01:06:54,470 face like or you know that the 1435 01:06:59,200 --> 01:06:56,420 conclusion was you know it was so 1436 01:07:02,520 --> 01:06:59,210 obviously you know a B and C you know 1437 01:07:06,609 --> 01:07:02,530 absurd concepts like you know you know a 1438 01:07:09,849 --> 01:07:06,619 test dummies were mistaken as aliens 1439 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:09,859 blah blah blah any say you know this is 1440 01:07:16,030 --> 01:07:12,650 this is just obviously what happened and 1441 01:07:18,940 --> 01:07:16,040 and you know it's it's just it's all 1442 01:07:21,010 --> 01:07:18,950 there but then at the same time he talks 1443 01:07:24,310 --> 01:07:21,020 you know the lead investigator talks 1444 01:07:26,530 --> 01:07:24,320 about how he had to really go searching 1445 01:07:28,450 --> 01:07:26,540 for this information now here's 1446 01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,460 something that stinks to high heaven on 1447 01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,520 that Roswell is just so well known by 1448 01:07:36,070 --> 01:07:33,920 this time I mean 50 years of people 1449 01:07:38,980 --> 01:07:36,080 talking about it you know you wouldn't 1450 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:38,990 have to go investigating the heck out of 1451 01:07:43,630 --> 01:07:40,970 it if you're inside the government and 1452 01:07:46,740 --> 01:07:43,640 it's all just readily available and easy 1453 01:07:49,570 --> 01:07:46,750 to see it would require high level 1454 01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:49,580 investigation work and that's right you 1455 01:07:53,710 --> 01:07:51,740 know it you know finding out about the 1456 01:07:55,630 --> 01:07:53,720 Manhattan Project and discovering that 1457 01:07:58,270 --> 01:07:55,640 it was to make the nuclear bomb required 1458 01:07:59,710 --> 01:07:58,280 high level investigation know by the 90s 1459 01:08:02,140 --> 01:07:59,720 that wouldn't require high level 1460 01:08:04,510 --> 01:08:02,150 investigation the required just talking 1461 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:04,520 to all the key people real quick and it 1462 01:08:10,050 --> 01:08:07,490 basically the very fact that he had to 1463 01:08:12,849 --> 01:08:10,060 say that he had to go through a ton of 1464 01:08:16,209 --> 01:08:12,859 Investigation already sent off alarm 1465 01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,219 bells on also you know many of the 1466 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:19,040 things he talked about were you know 1467 01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:20,930 they weren't clear you know then they 1468 01:08:25,090 --> 01:08:23,089 say oh you know a service men is fell 1469 01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,100 out of a weather balloon and it's his 1470 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:27,440 head you know he died and his head was 1471 01:08:32,440 --> 01:08:29,210 all swollen up so that's what they 1472 01:08:34,150 --> 01:08:32,450 mistook for for the alien but they 1473 01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,160 couldn't find out who that servicemen 1474 01:08:39,550 --> 01:08:36,560 was and again if these things were being 1475 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:39,560 linked to Roswell you know you would 1476 01:08:43,329 --> 01:08:41,810 think that there would be a lot more you 1477 01:08:45,550 --> 01:08:43,339 know written down it's like oh by the 1478 01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:45,560 way this is the guy that was mistaken 1479 01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:47,330 for an alien you know and if you're 1480 01:08:51,999 --> 01:08:49,370 interviewing all the top dogs that were 1481 01:08:54,190 --> 01:08:52,009 in charge of these little projects would 1482 01:08:56,650 --> 01:08:54,200 be like oh that was you know so and so 1483 01:08:58,570 --> 01:08:56,660 the guy who is mistaken for an Aryan so 1484 01:08:59,630 --> 01:08:58,580 it's just it's just really interesting 1485 01:09:01,220 --> 01:08:59,640 that they are long 1486 01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:01,230 say oh its case closed it was so easy 1487 01:09:05,090 --> 01:09:03,330 it's just so obviously this but then the 1488 01:09:07,130 --> 01:09:05,100 next minute you felt realizing we're 1489 01:09:08,750 --> 01:09:07,140 looking easy for you to find and it 1490 01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:08,760 wasn't you know a lot of things are 1491 01:09:13,730 --> 01:09:10,290 still missing why are those missing why 1492 01:09:16,670 --> 01:09:13,740 are those facts still missing and so 1493 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:16,680 that right in and of itself tells me you 1494 01:09:21,710 --> 01:09:19,410 know that that you know Roswell it 1495 01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:21,720 actually made it more fishy that they 1496 01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:25,020 tried so hard to close the case with 1497 01:09:29,750 --> 01:09:27,150 facts that were not substantial and 1498 01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:29,760 that's just one example yeah I like that 1499 01:09:35,660 --> 01:09:32,670 example because that's that topics come 1500 01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:35,670 up many times on this show about how for 1501 01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:38,100 instance the crash test dummies didn't 1502 01:09:43,940 --> 01:09:39,920 even come out till five years after 1503 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:43,950 walking and also there was another thing 1504 01:09:48,380 --> 01:09:46,170 that they had mentioned that the aliens 1505 01:09:50,060 --> 01:09:48,390 could have been and that was I want to 1506 01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:50,070 say a plane crash or something like that 1507 01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:52,020 and they said the bodies you know we're 1508 01:09:56,510 --> 01:09:54,450 badly burned or I may be confusing this 1509 01:10:01,370 --> 01:09:56,520 with another case I'm not really sure 1510 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:01,380 but you know Roswell is interesting and 1511 01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:04,170 I'd like the the stand that Stanton 1512 01:10:11,090 --> 01:10:07,500 Friedman says that the Air Force slide 1513 01:10:15,620 --> 01:10:11,100 four times flat-out lied for times when 1514 01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:15,630 it comes to Roswell and you know I he 1515 01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,480 said that enough I I believe that he's 1516 01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:20,880 not just saying that because he's a man 1517 01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:24,360 about facts themselves I agree and see 1518 01:10:29,260 --> 01:10:26,940 the thing is as someone who doesn't want 1519 01:10:32,060 --> 01:10:29,270 to be too quick to jump to conclusions I 1520 01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:32,070 literally you know open i mean i've been 1521 01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:33,930 interested in this since the 80s when I 1522 01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:36,150 was very very young and at the prime you 1523 01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:38,340 know I've always been fascinated with 1524 01:10:44,330 --> 01:10:41,640 history and I knew that you know you 1525 01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:44,340 know the the Germans you know had a lot 1526 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:46,380 of really advanced technology you know 1527 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:47,850 one can ask where they got that but 1528 01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:50,010 let's assume for a second they made it 1529 01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,380 themselves and then when the a life took 1530 01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:54,960 over Germany they were you know using 1531 01:10:57,890 --> 01:10:56,400 all these things and working with all 1532 01:10:59,660 --> 01:10:57,900 these things and maybe they didn't want 1533 01:11:01,970 --> 01:10:59,670 the world to know you know what exactly 1534 01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:01,980 prototype crops that are making but 1535 01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:05,340 fifty years later you know it would 1536 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:06,990 serve them to just go ahead and say hey 1537 01:11:10,670 --> 01:11:08,490 guys we were just working with prototype 1538 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:10,680 craft you know any was crashing all over 1539 01:11:12,910 --> 01:11:12,330 the place and blah blah blah that would 1540 01:11:15,250 --> 01:11:12,920 be 1541 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:15,260 to just go ahead and admit 50 years 1542 01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:18,170 later the fact that they don't want to 1543 01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:20,420 say any of that really makes me believe 1544 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:23,449 that it wasn't our own crowd at all 1545 01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:27,290 mmhmm yeah that's that's that's oral 1546 01:11:34,419 --> 01:11:30,800 totally interesting I you got me hooked 1547 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:34,429 I want to hear more of more examples if 1548 01:11:42,669 --> 01:11:38,210 you would yes yes well you know there's 1549 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:42,679 so many elements of of of you know what 1550 01:11:46,930 --> 01:11:44,810 came together and all these different 1551 01:11:48,220 --> 01:11:46,940 things and let's let's go to Roswell 1552 01:11:50,410 --> 01:11:48,230 game because of course you know the 1553 01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:50,420 well-known people you know they said 1554 01:11:57,729 --> 01:11:53,600 that you know there was a bunch of 1555 01:12:00,910 --> 01:11:57,739 really strange uh you know symbols all 1556 01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:00,920 over the craft that were found by the 1557 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:04,040 key people and of course they said oh 1558 01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:06,650 well this was the the numbers are you 1559 01:12:10,270 --> 01:12:08,449 know the the symbols that they used on 1560 01:12:12,820 --> 01:12:10,280 these and they just quickly and it's 1561 01:12:14,979 --> 01:12:12,830 just it's very dogmatic the way they 1562 01:12:17,709 --> 01:12:14,989 described it in the case closed report 1563 01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:17,719 it's just like and that's exactly what 1564 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:20,239 they use and you know I'm paraphrasing 1565 01:12:25,330 --> 01:12:22,370 it's like and anyone the food to deny 1566 01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:25,340 that if they could no back up to that so 1567 01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:26,900 then as I did more and more research i 1568 01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:29,420 found it was absolutely no symbol used 1569 01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:31,730 like this I mean nowhere is there any 1570 01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:33,230 evidence of course they don't say in 1571 01:12:36,729 --> 01:12:35,030 case closed and say well clearly it was 1572 01:12:38,380 --> 01:12:36,739 used in this project and was using this 1573 01:12:41,020 --> 01:12:38,390 project many symbols were used in this 1574 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:41,030 project it never gives any clarity it 1575 01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:43,850 just says this was you know clearly used 1576 01:12:49,419 --> 01:12:46,310 by the government and their projects and 1577 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:49,429 you know that's just been obvious hey 1578 01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,650 you know in so many words and meanwhile 1579 01:12:55,870 --> 01:12:53,600 these are the most far-out looking 1580 01:12:57,580 --> 01:12:55,880 symbols you know I mean it really truly 1581 01:13:01,810 --> 01:12:57,590 looks like something out of Star Gate 1582 01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:01,820 and it's just impossible to think what 1583 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:05,780 we used you know this weird cuneiform 1584 01:13:11,260 --> 01:13:09,290 looking writing all of a sudden on these 1585 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:11,270 crafts what was the point that are 1586 01:13:15,939 --> 01:13:13,370 supposedly just weather balloons you 1587 01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:15,949 know why would they use these bizarre 1588 01:13:19,570 --> 01:13:17,870 measurement systems that are never used 1589 01:13:22,750 --> 01:13:19,580 in anything else and they can't even 1590 01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:22,760 themselves point to it it's just it's 1591 01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:25,730 just beyond you know that that they 1592 01:13:28,729 --> 01:13:26,760 think they can just shut 1593 01:13:31,310 --> 01:13:28,739 that down our throats that this really 1594 01:13:33,049 --> 01:13:31,320 really fine looking writing system it's 1595 01:13:36,529 --> 01:13:33,059 blatantly obvious that the writing 1596 01:13:38,450 --> 01:13:36,539 system uh it is you know they try to 1597 01:13:41,149 --> 01:13:38,460 provide a backstory hilariously 1598 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:41,159 desperate it this is the beauty of all 1599 01:13:45,979 --> 01:13:43,530 this is that if they have not done that 1600 01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:45,989 report in fact would have been less 1601 01:13:50,419 --> 01:13:48,300 suspicious but the fact that they do 1602 01:13:52,339 --> 01:13:50,429 this report they say case closed and 1603 01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:52,349 they have all these things like that was 1604 01:13:55,970 --> 01:13:54,179 just some measurement symbols were used 1605 01:13:58,009 --> 01:13:55,980 I mean stop being stupid you know of 1606 01:13:59,629 --> 01:13:58,019 course I was just measurements to locate 1607 01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:59,639 points other times that they use that 1608 01:14:03,859 --> 01:14:01,500 well we can you know there's no evidence 1609 01:14:06,169 --> 01:14:03,869 of that so they just used it for these 1610 01:14:09,799 --> 01:14:06,179 weather balloon no one else has any you 1611 01:14:11,899 --> 01:14:09,809 know you know it any knowledge of the 1612 01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:11,909 strange symbology that was used and 1613 01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:14,760 they're just pointing to nothing else to 1614 01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,159 somehow with this one weather balloon 1615 01:14:23,629 --> 01:14:19,920 they use the most bizarre you know 1616 01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:23,639 symbols in and that's just one other 1617 01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:26,760 example of how you know in there and I'm 1618 01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,289 sure you know about these symbols right 1619 01:14:32,779 --> 01:14:30,239 i mean they obviously writing and 1620 01:14:35,060 --> 01:14:32,789 they're very really interesting looking 1621 01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:35,070 in there were some that akansha Sumerian 1622 01:14:39,529 --> 01:14:36,900 but but a little bit different very 1623 01:14:41,209 --> 01:14:39,539 obviously a lighting system well what i 1624 01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:41,219 do know i don't know that exactly but 1625 01:14:46,129 --> 01:14:44,400 what I do know is Jesse Marcel was 1626 01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:46,139 saying on the debris that he looked at 1627 01:14:50,509 --> 01:14:48,510 that his father brought back home late 1628 01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:50,519 that night and spread out on the kitchen 1629 01:14:57,950 --> 01:14:54,239 table that the little beams or whatever 1630 01:15:02,000 --> 01:14:57,960 they were had like hieroglyphics and 1631 01:15:05,299 --> 01:15:02,010 what he was told or what the story was 1632 01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,309 is that there was a tape company in New 1633 01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:07,440 York or something like that that had 1634 01:15:12,109 --> 01:15:09,900 like decorative tape that had these 1635 01:15:14,359 --> 01:15:12,119 symbols on it you know that was that was 1636 01:15:18,109 --> 01:15:14,369 the response that then I remember him 1637 01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:18,119 speaking about which is yes yes and um 1638 01:15:23,779 --> 01:15:21,659 as you know you know Jesse Marcel you 1639 01:15:26,890 --> 01:15:23,789 know went on to constantly sabers 1640 01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:26,900 there's no way that this was you know 1641 01:15:32,779 --> 01:15:29,369 what they say it is it was it was 1642 01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:32,789 obviously an amazing material you know 1643 01:15:39,649 --> 01:15:36,300 obviously you know it you know he tested 1644 01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:39,659 him himself you know he you know and 1645 01:15:43,969 --> 01:15:41,159 as you know it was first released that 1646 01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:43,979 it was in fact UFOs right it was a 1647 01:15:49,759 --> 01:15:47,699 crashed saucer yep yeah yeah I mean yeah 1648 01:15:51,529 --> 01:15:49,769 you know a lot of people say why do you 1649 01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:51,539 talk about Roswell but you know Roswell 1650 01:15:57,049 --> 01:15:54,300 I think his such a great case I know 1651 01:15:59,359 --> 01:15:57,059 it's so many years later but it's just 1652 01:16:02,540 --> 01:15:59,369 one like you said you know comes out 1653 01:16:05,029 --> 01:16:02,550 there's a you know the Army Air Force 1654 01:16:06,049 --> 01:16:05,039 captures a flying disc and you know next 1655 01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:06,059 thing you know it's a weather balloon 1656 01:16:10,580 --> 01:16:09,179 and that's the one I've brought up a 1657 01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:10,590 number of times to skeptics when I 1658 01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,329 talked to them and you know of course 1659 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:14,159 they have their answers of the mogul and 1660 01:16:19,459 --> 01:16:17,130 all that another question there's a 1661 01:16:21,379 --> 01:16:19,469 question up on the not a question 1662 01:16:24,620 --> 01:16:21,389 there's a comment on the message board 1663 01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:24,630 by a frank it's he writes and I'm not 1664 01:16:30,109 --> 01:16:27,650 sure of the accuracy of this but Frank 1665 01:16:31,819 --> 01:16:30,119 Frank is saying at the time of the 1666 01:16:34,819 --> 01:16:31,829 Roswell incident I heard there was a 1667 01:16:36,949 --> 01:16:34,829 weekly base newsletter for personnel 1668 01:16:38,659 --> 01:16:36,959 that were stationed there and the 1669 01:16:41,419 --> 01:16:38,669 addition that came out a few days later 1670 01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:41,429 had no mention of anything that had 1671 01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:43,650 happened I think if that's true that's 1672 01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:47,070 that's another interesting fact yeah I i 1673 01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:49,110 I'm actually not aware of it but I could 1674 01:16:54,979 --> 01:16:51,329 believe it and this is this is where 1675 01:16:58,339 --> 01:16:54,989 ineptitude is actually our greatest ally 1676 01:17:00,729 --> 01:16:58,349 to truth because if they you know just 1677 01:17:03,770 --> 01:17:00,739 go about things in a more normal fashion 1678 01:17:07,069 --> 01:17:03,780 you know it'd be hard for us to feel so 1679 01:17:08,779 --> 01:17:07,079 convicted in our beliefs but when they 1680 01:17:12,049 --> 01:17:08,789 do things like that well they don't even 1681 01:17:14,029 --> 01:17:12,059 address a major incident where where 1682 01:17:16,759 --> 01:17:14,039 they released this report and say case 1683 01:17:18,979 --> 01:17:16,769 closed case closed and provides so 1684 01:17:22,069 --> 01:17:18,989 little evidence and just make blanket 1685 01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:22,079 dogmatic assertions with no evidence it 1686 01:17:27,229 --> 01:17:25,320 only makes us more suspicious but it's 1687 01:17:29,469 --> 01:17:27,239 fascinating and I owe something to that 1688 01:17:33,140 --> 01:17:29,479 because it only helps show up my belief 1689 01:17:35,239 --> 01:17:33,150 right yeah and there are some you know 1690 01:17:37,580 --> 01:17:35,249 there's there's been many other cases 1691 01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:37,590 and I don't know if you're familiar with 1692 01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:41,340 the Robertson panel yeah yeah so I mean 1693 01:17:45,949 --> 01:17:43,110 there was that you know pushing that but 1694 01:17:47,529 --> 01:17:45,959 you know back when this going back to 1695 01:17:51,429 --> 01:17:47,539 Roswell when it first happened you know 1696 01:17:53,450 --> 01:17:51,439 1947 we come out of the World War two 1697 01:17:57,230 --> 01:17:53,460 everyone listen to the government 1698 01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:57,240 and that sure went quiet very quickly 1699 01:18:04,940 --> 01:18:01,440 and faded away until it came back you 1700 01:18:08,210 --> 01:18:04,950 know quite by chance actually and it 1701 01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,220 makes me wonder I thought of this if if 1702 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:10,800 that situation where I can't remember 1703 01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:13,770 was it who spoke with it might have been 1704 01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:16,920 Marcel I think it was Marcel a ham radio 1705 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:19,830 operator that Stanton Friedman got 1706 01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:23,010 connected to and all that I'm sure the 1707 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:24,450 case probably would have come out 1708 01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:27,450 eventually through either deathbed you 1709 01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:30,420 know confessions or or something like 1710 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:33,540 that you know eventually people have to 1711 01:18:36,980 --> 01:18:35,610 have to talk after a while I think when 1712 01:18:40,340 --> 01:18:36,990 they experience something like that 1713 01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:40,350 right well there was recently and see 1714 01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:44,250 that's the thing it's hard to to the 1715 01:18:50,210 --> 01:18:46,230 thing that I always told me through 1716 01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,220 people in this works is that they go 1717 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:52,320 well how come there's more evidence you 1718 01:18:55,460 --> 01:18:53,970 know from I'm going now broad with 1719 01:18:57,260 --> 01:18:55,470 everything they go how come those more 1720 01:18:59,650 --> 01:18:57,270 evidence well there's people of videos 1721 01:19:04,520 --> 01:18:59,660 yeah videos could be you know 1722 01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:04,530 manipulated okay so you're just throwing 1723 01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:06,840 out all potential video evidence okay 1724 01:19:10,430 --> 01:19:08,820 just just acknowledge that you're 1725 01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,440 throwing it all out any video evidence 1726 01:19:14,690 --> 01:19:12,000 you're just throwing out because that 1727 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:14,700 could just be you know effects and 1728 01:19:20,090 --> 01:19:16,650 photoshopping and all that sort of thing 1729 01:19:22,730 --> 01:19:20,100 okay now what about you know just 1730 01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:22,740 recently I'm ranking on the guy you may 1731 01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:28,050 know what I'm talking about a major you 1732 01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:29,910 know Defense Department guy came out and 1733 01:19:33,710 --> 01:19:32,040 said that you know he had seen all these 1734 01:19:35,660 --> 01:19:33,720 aliens and he had worked with them in 1735 01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:35,670 the Air Force industry involved at all 1736 01:19:41,060 --> 01:19:39,300 Paul Hellyer in Canada that's was 1737 01:19:43,310 --> 01:19:41,070 defense minister we of course is very 1738 01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:43,320 intriguing yes yes I was actually 1739 01:19:45,740 --> 01:19:44,400 talking about someone else but let's 1740 01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:45,750 talk about Paul Hellyer everyone 1741 01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:48,180 dismisses him whenever I talk about him 1742 01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:49,440 in the mainstream line well here's a 1743 01:19:55,820 --> 01:19:52,860 major guy a major defense minister you 1744 01:19:57,710 --> 01:19:55,830 know who has for decades you know been 1745 01:20:00,440 --> 01:19:57,720 in the Canadian Parliament or a high up 1746 01:20:02,780 --> 01:20:00,450 official for Canada you know the first 1747 01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:02,790 world country you know Mexico constantly 1748 01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:04,590 has stories with their officials but ok 1749 01:20:09,209 --> 01:20:06,670 they dismiss that second world 1750 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:09,219 country here's a first world nation a 1751 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:12,010 major official coming out talking about 1752 01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:14,410 how he knows about the tall white and 1753 01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,960 and all these different types of aliens 1754 01:20:21,900 --> 01:20:19,600 why would you just you know right away 1755 01:20:23,689 --> 01:20:21,910 dismiss that you got it you got to ask 1756 01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:23,699 yourself what are you willing to believe 1757 01:20:29,459 --> 01:20:26,290 you know does it happen to happen right 1758 01:20:31,650 --> 01:20:29,469 in front of your face yeah I mean you 1759 01:20:33,540 --> 01:20:31,660 don't feel a lot of and and also what 1760 01:20:36,510 --> 01:20:33,550 are you willing to if I can interject 1761 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:36,520 for a second what are you willing to 1762 01:20:42,959 --> 01:20:40,090 gain be it being that person and and 1763 01:20:46,650 --> 01:20:42,969 saying all this and having a career that 1764 01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,660 you have you can only you know damage 1765 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:49,120 these days quote unquote you can only 1766 01:20:54,959 --> 01:20:52,090 damage your career like if you're saying 1767 01:20:56,850 --> 01:20:54,969 something like that it needs to be said 1768 01:21:01,800 --> 01:20:56,860 and there's a reason for it to be coming 1769 01:21:03,630 --> 01:21:01,810 out absolutely absolutely and then but 1770 01:21:07,380 --> 01:21:03,640 the big thing that I also like to focus 1771 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:07,390 on and and this is you know the one of 1772 01:21:11,970 --> 01:21:08,770 the speeches I do at the new phone 1773 01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:11,980 presentation is that the the biggest 1774 01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:16,420 facts taking a step back is what is what 1775 01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:18,760 what is the cause of humanity self 1776 01:21:23,939 --> 01:21:21,910 destructive impulse is it truly an 1777 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:23,949 instinct I don't believe so and if you 1778 01:21:29,340 --> 01:21:26,410 look at all the evidence it points the 1779 01:21:32,850 --> 01:21:29,350 idea that people who are 1780 01:21:36,750 --> 01:21:32,860 self-destructive don't tend to be highly 1781 01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:36,760 successful individuals you know you can 1782 01:21:41,729 --> 01:21:39,820 be highly successful and be sociopathic 1783 01:21:44,459 --> 01:21:41,739 but you don't tend to be 1784 01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:44,469 self-destructive unless sure we know of 1785 01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:46,449 some successful people that that are 1786 01:21:50,820 --> 01:21:48,610 self-destructive but on the whole the 1787 01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:50,830 two things don't seem to mix and yet 1788 01:21:56,820 --> 01:21:54,340 there are forces in our government that 1789 01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:56,830 are keen on things like nuclear warfare 1790 01:22:03,390 --> 01:22:00,300 which know anything in that is 1791 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:03,400 indisputable nuclear war even if all our 1792 01:22:08,939 --> 01:22:06,730 nukes just bomb Russia we're still going 1793 01:22:11,939 --> 01:22:08,949 to feel the you know radioactive effects 1794 01:22:13,410 --> 01:22:11,949 in some ways yeah but that's not even 1795 01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,420 feasible well of course going to get 1796 01:22:17,550 --> 01:22:16,000 bombed ourselves by Russia and and 1797 01:22:19,660 --> 01:22:17,560 everyone else who had nuclear bombs 1798 01:22:22,150 --> 01:22:19,670 because that's the way it works the foot 1799 01:22:24,490 --> 01:22:22,160 most powerful nation everyone allies 1800 01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:24,500 against in a major war that's will have 1801 01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:26,630 more Germany you know there's no love 1802 01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:28,250 between the u.s. and the Soviet Union 1803 01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:30,080 but being added to take down Germany 1804 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:32,030 same thing would happen if America went 1805 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:34,610 on the warpath in a big way the point is 1806 01:22:38,620 --> 01:22:36,650 who then are these people who are so 1807 01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:38,630 keen on nuclear war who are these people 1808 01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:42,050 that are so keen on nuclear power I mean 1809 01:22:46,750 --> 01:22:44,449 it's just the nuclear power is just as 1810 01:22:48,430 --> 01:22:46,760 dangerous as nuclear war I mean we've 1811 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:48,440 seen with Fukushima a lot of people 1812 01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:50,570 don't realize how dangerous that was or 1813 01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:53,449 still is actually it's not over here 1814 01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:55,280 backward you know when you're done right 1815 01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:58,370 you're done right and you know mature 1816 01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:01,040 Kaku you know went there and said people 1817 01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:03,410 don't realize that we're inches away 1818 01:23:08,970 --> 01:23:05,750 from having to evacuate 30 million 1819 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:08,980 Japanese people from where they left and 1820 01:23:14,919 --> 01:23:13,370 and and you know people still you know 1821 01:23:17,020 --> 01:23:14,929 fight for that over here when solar 1822 01:23:19,150 --> 01:23:17,030 power is so easy and then you think 1823 01:23:22,270 --> 01:23:19,160 what's greed because they can control 1824 01:23:24,100 --> 01:23:22,280 the the nuclear plants but the fact is 1825 01:23:26,830 --> 01:23:24,110 they could control the solar panels to 1826 01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:26,840 you know it's not easy to set up a 1827 01:23:31,090 --> 01:23:29,360 forward power infrastructure and yes 1828 01:23:32,919 --> 01:23:31,100 people could eventually put them all up 1829 01:23:35,530 --> 01:23:32,929 on their houses and maybe by making a 1830 01:23:37,419 --> 01:23:35,540 solar power away in the desert it would 1831 01:23:40,150 --> 01:23:37,429 make people think of it more and put it 1832 01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:40,160 up on the houses but unlikely unlikely 1833 01:23:43,540 --> 01:23:41,600 the truth is they could make a fortune 1834 01:23:45,130 --> 01:23:43,550 they might not have as much revenue 1835 01:23:46,990 --> 01:23:45,140 people might be paying less but it'll be 1836 01:23:49,209 --> 01:23:47,000 much more profit because they're not 1837 01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:49,219 drilling for oil and they're not you 1838 01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:51,110 know uh extracting uranium which is 1839 01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:53,510 extremely hard to extract so why are 1840 01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:56,090 they fighting for power so badly when 1841 01:24:00,189 --> 01:23:57,920 they could be making money off of an 1842 01:24:01,390 --> 01:24:00,199 infrastructure based on full power why 1843 01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:01,400 are they why are they allowing 1844 01:24:05,950 --> 01:24:04,070 pesticides that they know mess with 1845 01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:05,960 people's minds and that you cannot 1846 01:24:10,450 --> 01:24:08,239 escape unless you're wearing an oxygen 1847 01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:10,460 mask all the time outside why did they 1848 01:24:14,650 --> 01:24:12,290 fight for lead in the gas when even the 1849 01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,660 Romans knew that lead was dangerous to 1850 01:24:18,669 --> 01:24:16,880 the mind and you can't get away from 1851 01:24:20,140 --> 01:24:18,679 lead you know what it was blowing out of 1852 01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:20,150 the exhaust pipes you couldn't get away 1853 01:24:25,570 --> 01:24:22,730 from it this all comes around to the 1854 01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:25,580 same thing that we do the first world 1855 01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:28,370 powers due to lesser nations to keep 1856 01:24:32,570 --> 01:24:30,560 them down to keep them from becoming 1857 01:24:35,690 --> 01:24:32,580 potential threats it's 1858 01:24:37,940 --> 01:24:35,700 like sanctions we you know it's very 1859 01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:37,950 broad brush it's very terror bombing 1860 01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:40,800 element you know where you just carpet 1861 01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,930 bomb a nation with sanctions you know 1862 01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:44,880 also that they can't you know let's say 1863 01:24:49,490 --> 01:24:47,640 an Iran case you know we sanction them 1864 01:24:52,010 --> 01:24:49,500 out so that they can't build a nuclear 1865 01:24:55,010 --> 01:24:52,020 bomb also that they won't be a potential 1866 01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:55,020 future threat this this is also 1867 01:25:00,290 --> 01:24:57,120 something we do in a multitude of other 1868 01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:00,300 much more black ops much more under you 1869 01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:02,730 know you know under-the-radar style ways 1870 01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:05,940 where we where we you know put lead into 1871 01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:07,980 Eastern European countries where we cook 1872 01:25:13,250 --> 01:25:10,920 led into African countries and we will 1873 01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:13,260 fully do that now knowing how bad it is 1874 01:25:19,490 --> 01:25:16,800 and in many other tactics all to keep 1875 01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:19,500 people from being potential nation 1876 01:25:24,650 --> 01:25:21,510 states that might one day be a threat 1877 01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:24,660 and as thick as it sounds that's the way 1878 01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:27,450 the more powerful nations treat the less 1879 01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:29,730 powerful they win the race and then they 1880 01:25:33,410 --> 01:25:31,920 try to keep everyone from even finishing 1881 01:25:35,540 --> 01:25:33,420 the race because then they might be 1882 01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:35,550 potential threats and that's what leads 1883 01:25:40,670 --> 01:25:38,130 you to see that there is something not 1884 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:40,680 of this world that is affecting our 1885 01:25:44,690 --> 01:25:42,330 politics and that gets into that 1886 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:44,700 intergalactic political game where I 1887 01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:46,290 believe we're caught between many 1888 01:25:50,630 --> 01:25:48,690 different superpowers neither one is 1889 01:25:52,670 --> 01:25:50,640 necessarily the good or the bad guy just 1890 01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:52,680 like the Soviet Union versus the United 1891 01:25:57,650 --> 01:25:55,410 States they chose their allies and their 1892 01:26:00,010 --> 01:25:57,660 proxy worse they found her politically 1893 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:00,020 serve them not necessarily on on 1894 01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:04,050 morality or anything like that yeah we 1895 01:26:09,980 --> 01:26:06,600 we need to probably say a little bit 1896 01:26:12,710 --> 01:26:09,990 more on topic on you know on the UFO 1897 01:26:16,850 --> 01:26:12,720 subject a little bit in how this relates 1898 01:26:18,650 --> 01:26:16,860 relates to it if we could and let's see 1899 01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:18,660 I did have a question for you Paul 1900 01:26:23,450 --> 01:26:21,600 Hellyer is that has actually agreed many 1901 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:23,460 months ago to be on the show he will be 1902 01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:26,010 really yeah he'll be on eventually we 1903 01:26:32,180 --> 01:26:28,980 pass e-mails back and forth every few 1904 01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:32,190 months he's always very busy and he's 1905 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:35,040 rather elderly I think he's if i'm not 1906 01:26:40,220 --> 01:26:37,290 mistaken he's either 90 or close to it 1907 01:26:42,020 --> 01:26:40,230 oh yes yes because he's been in the you 1908 01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:42,030 know canadian government social sixties 1909 01:26:46,189 --> 01:26:45,030 yeah so i have a it's kind of a blunt 1910 01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:46,199 question here excuse 1911 01:26:51,140 --> 01:26:48,690 sir this is on the message board but are 1912 01:26:52,939 --> 01:26:51,150 you saying that people like hall Charles 1913 01:26:56,299 --> 01:26:52,949 halt hang on just a minute the message 1914 01:26:59,449 --> 01:26:56,309 boards moving around here who sees tall 1915 01:27:02,629 --> 01:26:59,459 whites is telling the truth uh you know 1916 01:27:05,060 --> 01:27:02,639 it's Yelp Charles a weird guy you know I 1917 01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:05,070 don't know that's weird you know she's 1918 01:27:11,569 --> 01:27:07,050 got a weird way about him and the way 1919 01:27:15,259 --> 01:27:11,579 decide things as well absurd and uh you 1920 01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,269 know it's just weird i don't get what 1921 01:27:19,339 --> 01:27:17,280 the point of his experience was he was 1922 01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:19,349 just sent out to interact with them from 1923 01:27:24,799 --> 01:27:23,010 kind of nobody there you know I had this 1924 01:27:26,180 --> 01:27:24,809 objective to interact with them and he 1925 01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:26,190 was allowed to talk about it when 1926 01:27:32,779 --> 01:27:28,170 everyone I don't get the story you know 1927 01:27:35,149 --> 01:27:32,789 I'm not uh it's so weird that it's 1928 01:27:37,489 --> 01:27:35,159 almost tempting to believe it because he 1929 01:27:40,939 --> 01:27:37,499 does he doesn't try to give a plausible 1930 01:27:42,259 --> 01:27:40,949 backstory which you know sometimes you 1931 01:27:45,069 --> 01:27:42,269 know that which appears to be 1932 01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:45,079 implausible you know once you know more 1933 01:27:51,949 --> 01:27:48,449 turns out to be much more it didn't end 1934 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:51,959 up making sense so the fact that he 1935 01:27:56,540 --> 01:27:53,610 doesn't even try to give a plausible 1936 01:27:58,939 --> 01:27:56,550 backstory to it but you know so he's got 1937 01:28:02,149 --> 01:27:58,949 a weird guy just kind of a lunatic or 1938 01:28:06,979 --> 01:28:02,159 maybe a son to it but when i watch his 1939 01:28:10,339 --> 01:28:06,989 videos and like he just strikes me as 1940 01:28:12,979 --> 01:28:10,349 kind of um you know like he's just 1941 01:28:17,060 --> 01:28:12,989 seeking publicity maybe I I don't know I 1942 01:28:19,609 --> 01:28:17,070 find it very unbelievable yeah 1943 01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:19,619 everything you know that that doesn't 1944 01:28:26,029 --> 01:28:22,170 mean there's not like you know a 1945 01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:26,039 negative truth through the Charles Hall 1946 01:28:31,310 --> 01:28:28,199 is not what I used to be you know the 1947 01:28:34,189 --> 01:28:31,320 polite concept on Paul Hellyer on the 1948 01:28:35,959 --> 01:28:34,199 other hand you know he did seem to kind 1949 01:28:37,759 --> 01:28:35,969 of leap onto the tall white concept 1950 01:28:40,750 --> 01:28:37,769 after Charles Hall talked about it and 1951 01:28:43,580 --> 01:28:40,760 that sent that red flags to me yeah what 1952 01:28:48,609 --> 01:28:43,590 you know they want there's there's hard 1953 01:28:51,410 --> 01:28:48,619 me there's a few a few things you know 1954 01:28:54,140 --> 01:28:51,420 of course I have Paul coming up as guest 1955 01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,150 I'm not gonna not going to bad-mouth him 1956 01:28:57,799 --> 01:28:56,400 and basically what happens in situations 1957 01:28:59,730 --> 01:28:57,809 like that is I let people talk and 1958 01:29:03,000 --> 01:28:59,740 people can make up their own mind 1959 01:29:04,710 --> 01:29:03,010 as far as as far as what's what's he 1960 01:29:06,330 --> 01:29:04,720 saying but there's you know he's been 1961 01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:06,340 called out on a number of things that he 1962 01:29:11,490 --> 01:29:09,040 isn't really addressed in and you know a 1963 01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:11,500 lot of times that's what a message board 1964 01:29:18,030 --> 01:29:14,650 or a call-in shows about absolutely 1965 01:29:22,230 --> 01:29:18,040 someone can address that and and and 1966 01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:22,240 Rick so you know you you talked a lot 1967 01:29:30,540 --> 01:29:24,880 about politics but as far as sort of the 1968 01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:30,550 intergalactic politics where where do 1969 01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:33,490 you see that like you talked a little 1970 01:29:41,820 --> 01:29:37,210 bit in your MUFON you move on to talk 1971 01:29:44,010 --> 01:29:41,830 about about reptiles and how I'm sorry 1972 01:29:46,110 --> 01:29:44,020 you know what I can let me talk about 1973 01:29:52,010 --> 01:29:46,120 the reptiles because this is a nice 1974 01:29:53,670 --> 01:29:52,020 little factoid the the Paluxy River 1975 01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,680 footprints I don't know if you've heard 1976 01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:55,120 about them there are a hundred million 1977 01:30:01,380 --> 01:29:58,560 years old and they are clearly bipedal 1978 01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:01,390 footprints nation I said clearly which 1979 01:30:05,190 --> 01:30:03,370 is kind of like the ancient aliens guy 1980 01:30:07,140 --> 01:30:05,200 and stuff but this is actually clearly 1981 01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:07,150 this is accepted by the archeological 1982 01:30:12,810 --> 01:30:09,810 community that these are in fact bipedal 1983 01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:12,820 footprints well I'm going to just 1984 01:30:19,380 --> 01:30:14,800 interrupt you here because yeah well we 1985 01:30:21,090 --> 01:30:19,390 have a we have a dinosaur tracker who's 1986 01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:21,100 a scientist he's probably listening 1987 01:30:29,490 --> 01:30:22,720 right now he listens to most of the 1988 01:30:31,980 --> 01:30:29,500 shows and he he he I can't think of what 1989 01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:31,990 he came up with on that but he said that 1990 01:30:38,030 --> 01:30:35,410 is totally a dinosaur track that looks 1991 01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:38,040 very similar and he knew the exact 1992 01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:41,410 dinosaur and everything so I'm not 1993 01:30:45,540 --> 01:30:43,360 really sure I understand exactly because 1994 01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:45,550 I that was a question I said to him I 1995 01:30:49,950 --> 01:30:48,250 said you know does this mean that you 1996 01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:49,960 know there were people back when 1997 01:30:54,810 --> 01:30:51,910 dinosaurs were and he knew everything 1998 01:30:59,130 --> 01:30:54,820 about that pretty thoroughly and I would 1999 01:31:01,440 --> 01:30:59,140 be glad to shoot an email off to him and 2000 01:31:04,020 --> 01:31:01,450 get the exactly through and please do 2001 01:31:06,540 --> 01:31:04,030 actually I would love that because I 2002 01:31:08,340 --> 01:31:06,550 have you know I can't you know I I was 2003 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:08,350 given a little bit of short warning for 2004 01:31:12,810 --> 01:31:10,210 the ship so I was actually on the road 2005 01:31:15,540 --> 01:31:12,820 and just got to a landline but 2006 01:31:18,570 --> 01:31:15,550 here's here there is a lot of facts that 2007 01:31:20,580 --> 01:31:18,580 it is not established what that was at 2008 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:20,590 all and I and I get this from the 2009 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:22,090 archaeological community I'd love to 2010 01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:26,410 hear what he thinks but it is not at all 2011 01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:28,000 established what that is that's why the 2012 01:31:32,580 --> 01:31:30,730 creationists were so you know jumping on 2013 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:32,590 it saying look that means you know we're 2014 01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:34,090 only 5,000 years old we lived with the 2015 01:31:39,420 --> 01:31:36,400 dinosaurs as a human footprint it was 2016 01:31:41,370 --> 01:31:39,430 clear to scientists for you know over 30 2017 01:31:42,690 --> 01:31:41,380 years that these were weird footprints 2018 01:31:45,050 --> 01:31:42,700 that they couldn't be distinguished and 2019 01:31:48,450 --> 01:31:45,060 in fact yes then the lead guy who 2020 01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:48,460 decided to pursue it you know found that 2021 01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:51,730 the does appear to be three toes on it 2022 01:31:56,010 --> 01:31:53,890 even though those toes are not very 2023 01:31:58,290 --> 01:31:56,020 obvious but he was able to tell by by 2024 01:31:59,970 --> 01:31:58,300 Miss coloration in the stone and 2025 01:32:02,700 --> 01:31:59,980 everything that in fact there were close 2026 01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:02,710 and so the probably was three toes but 2027 01:32:10,110 --> 01:32:07,600 it's heavy on the heel and it and it's a 2028 01:32:12,450 --> 01:32:10,120 long fret as a personal ones that you 2029 01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:12,460 know the pause that we often see in 2030 01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:15,040 quadrupedal and and bipedal dinosaurs 2031 01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:18,670 and it does appear to even the Ark a lot 2032 01:32:22,230 --> 01:32:20,080 and the archeological community has 2033 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:22,240 bought into this idea that it was this 2034 01:32:27,570 --> 01:32:24,610 type of dinosaur that either once in a 2035 01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:27,580 while or habitually walked in a plan to 2036 01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:29,530 great fashion as humans do and the only 2037 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:31,270 other creature that walks in a plan to 2038 01:32:36,060 --> 01:32:33,610 great expression is the bear that in 2039 01:32:37,650 --> 01:32:36,070 today's day and of course the bear has 2040 01:32:39,780 --> 01:32:37,660 very obvious pause phones and everything 2041 01:32:41,550 --> 01:32:39,790 it doesn't have a distinct heel and all 2042 01:32:44,270 --> 01:32:41,560 those other things that are that go 2043 01:32:48,150 --> 01:32:44,280 along with being an evolved bipedal 2044 01:32:50,310 --> 01:32:48,160 animal and I took them it took the 2045 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:50,320 archeological community decades to 2046 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:52,330 finally latch onto the idea that this 2047 01:32:58,170 --> 01:32:54,970 might in fact be a dinosaur that least 2048 01:33:00,360 --> 01:32:58,180 oftentimes walk bipedally they still 2049 01:33:02,220 --> 01:33:00,370 haven't enjoyed latching on to it just 2050 01:33:03,390 --> 01:33:02,230 like the physics community doesn't enjoy 2051 01:33:05,370 --> 01:33:03,400 latching on to the idea that 2052 01:33:07,980 --> 01:33:05,380 consciousness effects outcome of 2053 01:33:10,590 --> 01:33:07,990 experiments but they have to accept that 2054 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:10,600 at least according to factors oh no mal 2055 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:14,410 it is a very unique fun so you know I 2056 01:33:19,290 --> 01:33:17,290 would love to hear from this person who 2057 01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:19,300 says that it's a well known dinosaur 2058 01:33:23,940 --> 01:33:21,730 because you know as I said I get it from 2059 01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:23,950 mainstream services and I'm very big 2060 01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:25,760 into archaeology and and 2061 01:33:30,009 --> 01:33:28,250 and are everything that I've read in the 2062 01:33:31,629 --> 01:33:30,019 archaeological field when I found anyone 2063 01:33:34,209 --> 01:33:31,639 to go on the internet right now and go 2064 01:33:36,669 --> 01:33:34,219 to you know the Smithsonian and and 2065 01:33:39,779 --> 01:33:36,679 reach out to archaeologists and top line 2066 01:33:41,950 --> 01:33:39,789 archaeologists this is not at all a 2067 01:33:44,169 --> 01:33:41,960 dinosaur that they understand or know 2068 01:33:46,990 --> 01:33:44,179 all right um I'm just going to say this 2069 01:33:49,839 --> 01:33:47,000 some ray if you happen to be listening 2070 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:49,849 please give a call into the show maybe 2071 01:34:01,990 --> 01:33:52,090 you can just call in right now that's 2072 01:34:08,609 --> 01:34:02,000 603 oh my goodness okay 6039 6740 30 2073 01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:08,619 that's 6039 did I just say it again 60 2074 01:34:17,649 --> 01:34:14,239 3937 4030 99% sure that is the number 2075 01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:17,659 here it's a skype number so it's not 2076 01:34:24,370 --> 01:34:20,690 something that that I just remember off 2077 01:34:29,620 --> 01:34:24,380 off the top of my head so you have 2078 01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:29,630 written books Rick and is it all like 2079 01:34:34,450 --> 01:34:32,719 you say science fact is that what you 2080 01:34:37,959 --> 01:34:34,460 say faction science faction is that what 2081 01:34:39,819 --> 01:34:37,969 you called it yes yes sir yeah the 2082 01:34:42,370 --> 01:34:39,829 keepers revolved around at a potential 2083 01:34:44,229 --> 01:34:42,380 World War 3 in the future and the 2084 01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:44,239 outcomes of technology that's involved 2085 01:34:50,830 --> 01:34:48,110 in it and now as I said I'm working on 2086 01:34:53,500 --> 01:34:50,840 you know a one that is based around 2087 01:34:55,330 --> 01:34:53,510 aliens talking about at you know I was 2088 01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:55,340 discussing that basically what I was 2089 01:35:00,189 --> 01:34:58,010 leading to is I believe that reptilians 2090 01:35:03,220 --> 01:35:00,199 you know actually began on this planet 2091 01:35:05,740 --> 01:35:03,230 and some of the evidence is for instance 2092 01:35:10,450 --> 01:35:05,750 those Pepsi footprints because you know 2093 01:35:14,140 --> 01:35:10,460 by x cube ality is linked to you know 2094 01:35:16,330 --> 01:35:14,150 human consciousness even more than then 2095 01:35:18,669 --> 01:35:16,340 you'd be opposable thumb in the life as 2096 01:35:22,299 --> 01:35:18,679 we know we call homo erectus you know a 2097 01:35:24,009 --> 01:35:22,309 huge leap in our you know evolution 2098 01:35:26,830 --> 01:35:24,019 because that was when humanity started 2099 01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:26,840 walking upright and there's so many 2100 01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:29,510 reasons why that is important that 2101 01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:33,440 because it wait excuse walk is not is 2102 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:36,320 not excellent for survival in terms of 2103 01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:38,970 physical survival it's not very fast 2104 01:35:44,570 --> 01:35:42,300 not very agile but if you're intelligent 2105 01:35:47,420 --> 01:35:44,580 it allows you to survey your 2106 01:35:49,490 --> 01:35:47,430 surroundings and assess you know how to 2107 01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,500 do deal with things strategically it 2108 01:35:53,480 --> 01:35:51,360 doesn't allow you to run away from Fred 2109 01:35:56,030 --> 01:35:53,490 over very easily but allows you to stand 2110 01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:56,040 there acknowledge how a predator and 2111 01:36:00,800 --> 01:35:58,320 study how predator fights and everything 2112 01:36:02,780 --> 01:36:00,810 and then you know it also allows this is 2113 01:36:04,850 --> 01:36:02,790 on the big things by standing by Peter 2114 01:36:07,550 --> 01:36:04,860 Lee constantly and in that particular 2115 01:36:10,610 --> 01:36:07,560 fashion it allows for an upright spine 2116 01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:10,620 which allows for a heavy head to sit 2117 01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:14,850 upon the spine to rest in a constant way 2118 01:36:19,700 --> 01:36:17,010 which allows for a bigger brain to form 2119 01:36:22,700 --> 01:36:19,710 it also allows for hands to be free to 2120 01:36:26,780 --> 01:36:22,710 hold tool instruments to hold Spears and 2121 01:36:29,810 --> 01:36:26,790 the like so by P ballot E is a huge step 2122 01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:29,820 in evolution and and you know 2123 01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:33,150 archaeologists you know have very little 2124 01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:35,190 you know that they go on in the past 2125 01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:36,840 ultimately I mean the amount of of 2126 01:36:42,710 --> 01:36:40,080 hominid fossils that have been found can 2127 01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,720 put in one room you know when it comes 2128 01:36:46,850 --> 01:36:44,880 and they were talking about at the most 2129 01:36:49,250 --> 01:36:46,860 two to three million years ago when it 2130 01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:49,260 comes to dinosaurs we often have very 2131 01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:53,040 little so when we find something as big 2132 01:36:58,220 --> 01:36:55,130 as the Paluxy River of footprints 2133 01:37:00,230 --> 01:36:58,230 conventionally that would cause the 2134 01:37:02,780 --> 01:37:00,240 scientific community to generate the 2135 01:37:05,330 --> 01:37:02,790 whole new paradigm of theories but other 2136 01:37:07,550 --> 01:37:05,340 saying even though consciousness has 2137 01:37:09,770 --> 01:37:07,560 long been accepted in the physics 2138 01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:09,780 community as affecting matter and 2139 01:37:12,590 --> 01:37:11,490 outcome of experiments you know with 2140 01:37:15,110 --> 01:37:12,600 things like the double slit like 2141 01:37:17,420 --> 01:37:15,120 experience they don't like it you know 2142 01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:17,430 they have to acknowledge it but you know 2143 01:37:21,170 --> 01:37:18,690 they don't like it they don't like 2144 01:37:23,450 --> 01:37:21,180 saying that conscious observation it's 2145 01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:23,460 you know effects outcome they don't like 2146 01:37:28,430 --> 01:37:26,130 saying that a dinosaur stood by pili a 2147 01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:28,440 hundred million years ago they but they 2148 01:37:33,890 --> 01:37:30,510 do acknowledge it but yet they don't 2149 01:37:37,580 --> 01:37:33,900 allow it to to make major paradigm 2150 01:37:40,220 --> 01:37:37,590 shifting theories and and you know 2151 01:37:44,510 --> 01:37:40,230 that's that's dogma you know I inhabit 2152 01:37:46,730 --> 01:37:44,520 the dogma okay so I just wanted to say 2153 01:37:49,370 --> 01:37:46,740 that Bray if you're listening I'm sorry 2154 01:37:52,740 --> 01:37:49,380 gave you the wrong number if you happen 2155 01:37:58,680 --> 01:37:52,750 to be listening one more time 60 396 2156 01:38:01,380 --> 01:37:58,690 7 40 30 40 30 last four digits so he may 2157 01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:01,390 or may not call in and a lot of times he 2158 01:38:08,970 --> 01:38:04,120 does catch the show you know later not 2159 01:38:12,530 --> 01:38:08,980 live but all right so I want to hear 2160 01:38:15,180 --> 01:38:12,540 Rick of course we'll get back to you 2161 01:38:18,780 --> 01:38:15,190 mark but Rick was what is your 2162 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:18,790 background well I background is on the 2163 01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:22,090 journalism major so that that you know 2164 01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:24,610 explains my you know my left for 2165 01:38:33,900 --> 01:38:28,930 research and you know that that began my 2166 01:38:37,260 --> 01:38:33,910 exploration of you know everything you 2167 01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:37,270 know is that journalism mindset and of 2168 01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:41,200 course when I came out you know looking 2169 01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,060 to be a journalist the world was 2170 01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:45,520 shifting you know print was starting to 2171 01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:49,330 die journalism is getting dominated by 2172 01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:52,690 punditry which I'm not too fond of 2173 01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,210 because I think that that the 2174 01:38:59,850 --> 01:38:57,280 corresponding tree is just to cause 2175 01:39:02,880 --> 01:38:59,860 division in humanity you know we see a 2176 01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:02,890 blatantly with Fox News and CNN you know 2177 01:39:08,730 --> 01:39:06,250 it just tries to put forth ideas in a 2178 01:39:10,440 --> 01:39:08,740 way that will you know purposely touch a 2179 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:10,450 nerve and some people in a good way and 2180 01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,490 purposely touch a nerve in a bad way and 2181 01:39:18,780 --> 01:39:14,800 other people so I decided not to go that 2182 01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:18,790 route and you know through my research I 2183 01:39:25,500 --> 01:39:21,760 discovered that there is potential for 2184 01:39:28,380 --> 01:39:25,510 looming World War the this century began 2185 01:39:31,170 --> 01:39:28,390 a lot like last century you know people 2186 01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:31,180 don't realize that the the last century 2187 01:39:36,810 --> 01:39:34,210 you know people you know what we're 2188 01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:36,820 looking to end war and and they were you 2189 01:39:41,490 --> 01:39:39,400 know the sick of it and impacting our 2190 01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:41,500 America Francis did not want to enter 2191 01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,600 world war one and Wilson you know 2192 01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:45,520 specifically called it the world to end 2193 01:39:49,770 --> 01:39:47,920 all wars right which of course was a 2194 01:39:52,770 --> 01:39:49,780 joke because it led to World War two and 2195 01:39:55,290 --> 01:39:52,780 he had all these you know idealisms that 2196 01:39:57,150 --> 01:39:55,300 in a George Bush put forth that you know 2197 01:39:59,580 --> 01:39:57,160 at the war for democracy at the war for 2198 01:40:02,820 --> 01:39:59,590 peace all of these things with a wilson 2199 01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:02,830 did not follow through with and this is 2200 01:40:06,450 --> 01:40:05,710 how a century of will get started and 2201 01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:06,460 that's how 2202 01:40:11,970 --> 01:40:09,340 came up with an IA you know a plot line 2203 01:40:13,979 --> 01:40:11,980 that spoke to basically it will it free 2204 01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:13,989 that would be you know very similar to 2205 01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:16,410 what will 02 was to the last century 2206 01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:19,450 right right well you know we're getting 2207 01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:22,000 a little off topic but I don't mind you 2208 01:40:25,770 --> 01:40:23,710 know I don't mind talking about 2209 01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:25,780 different things in the intergalactic 2210 01:40:32,010 --> 01:40:28,960 politics or whatever it is so I may have 2211 01:40:36,510 --> 01:40:32,020 misquoted that other any other other any 2212 01:40:40,650 --> 01:40:36,520 other UFO cases that come into mind or 2213 01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:40,660 anything like that all right the the big 2214 01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:44,110 thing that I often discusses is a you 2215 01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:47,110 know you know yeah I discuss for 2216 01:40:54,330 --> 01:40:51,250 instance how you know the Milky Way was 2217 01:40:56,780 --> 01:40:54,340 was blended you know a few hundred 2218 01:40:59,400 --> 01:40:56,790 million years ago with another galaxy 2219 01:41:02,490 --> 01:40:59,410 where the Arcturus stream is now a 2220 01:41:06,690 --> 01:41:02,500 remnant and basically what I discussed 2221 01:41:10,979 --> 01:41:06,700 my books is is the be kind of causations 2222 01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:10,989 of the different alien species and the 2223 01:41:17,340 --> 01:41:13,570 like and how and why they're affecting 2224 01:41:19,979 --> 01:41:17,350 our planet and you know I I don't let so 2225 01:41:21,810 --> 01:41:19,989 speak to specific sightings that have 2226 01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:21,820 occurred you know some of the stuff I've 2227 01:41:27,390 --> 01:41:24,880 talked about is is you know because I'm 2228 01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:27,400 fascinated as you can tell with my 2229 01:41:32,190 --> 01:41:29,410 previous series with with Laura 2230 01:41:34,590 --> 01:41:32,200 espionage how first work nations that's 2231 01:41:36,900 --> 01:41:34,600 what I was first on with my first series 2232 01:41:39,959 --> 01:41:36,910 and then I came on to seeing that in 2233 01:41:42,990 --> 01:41:39,969 fact we seem to be a proxy war for 2234 01:41:45,180 --> 01:41:43,000 intergalactic powers and so that's more 2235 01:41:47,820 --> 01:41:45,190 what my book focuses on and why the 2236 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:47,830 Arcturus stream generated a different 2237 01:41:53,570 --> 01:41:51,010 set of alien consciousness and why our 2238 01:41:55,740 --> 01:41:53,580 planet you know derive the reptilian 2239 01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:55,750 consciousness and why there is now a 2240 01:41:59,640 --> 01:41:57,370 battle between those two different 2241 01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:59,650 consciousnesses all backed up by science 2242 01:42:02,430 --> 01:42:00,880 not the least of which being that 2243 01:42:05,060 --> 01:42:02,440 scientists are now acknowledging that 2244 01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:05,070 consciousness is actually a physical 2245 01:42:11,930 --> 01:42:08,350 particle and that it's probably linked 2246 01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:11,940 to dark matter dark matter is with 2247 01:42:15,900 --> 01:42:14,560 galaxies both around you know galaxies 2248 01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:15,910 couldn't exist without dark matter dark 2249 01:42:20,010 --> 01:42:18,010 matter one of the biggest elements of 2250 01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:20,020 dark matter is galaxy creation for the 2251 01:42:24,930 --> 01:42:22,960 that our galaxy is is the original Milky 2252 01:42:26,220 --> 01:42:24,940 Way but also this other galaxies that 2253 01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:26,230 makes them that now is the author 2254 01:42:29,550 --> 01:42:27,610 extreme I'm sure you've heard of the 2255 01:42:32,220 --> 01:42:29,560 Arcturians this explains why the 2256 01:42:33,870 --> 01:42:32,230 Oriental well known for having a very 2257 01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:33,880 enlightened consciousness because they 2258 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:35,890 are of a different galactic 2259 01:42:41,370 --> 01:42:39,130 consciousness than the Milky Way I'm not 2260 01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:41,380 familiar with that term actually oh you 2261 01:42:47,070 --> 01:42:43,690 haven't okay so yeah the attorneys and 2262 01:42:49,860 --> 01:42:47,080 the Pleiadians you know our are you know 2263 01:42:52,670 --> 01:42:49,870 through our kind of the New Age saw that 2264 01:42:55,470 --> 01:42:52,680 often related to the peacekeepers and 2265 01:42:58,980 --> 01:42:55,480 and the reptilians are generally seen as 2266 01:43:02,640 --> 01:42:58,990 the dark side so to speak and this seems 2267 01:43:08,010 --> 01:43:02,650 to pan out and all the research that 2268 01:43:09,300 --> 01:43:08,020 I've done I see okay all right so you 2269 01:43:12,180 --> 01:43:09,310 know we haven't we haven't talked to 2270 01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:12,190 march up with you mark so you've been 2271 01:43:19,340 --> 01:43:15,280 listening yeah I've just been enjoying 2272 01:43:22,650 --> 01:43:19,350 the conversation okay um yeah you know 2273 01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:22,660 so rick has he has a lot of very 2274 01:43:29,940 --> 01:43:26,410 interesting ideas and and they're not 2275 01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:29,950 they're not mainstream ideas by by any 2276 01:43:38,450 --> 01:43:32,770 means but they're they're different and 2277 01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:38,460 he has his facts to to back them up and 2278 01:43:44,370 --> 01:43:41,410 you know what he believes are as facts 2279 01:43:46,590 --> 01:43:44,380 to back them up and what are facts to 2280 01:43:51,090 --> 01:43:46,600 back them up and that's something that 2281 01:43:55,740 --> 01:43:51,100 we you know what went searching for the 2282 01:43:58,500 --> 01:43:55,750 truth and searching for what it is you 2283 01:44:02,820 --> 01:43:58,510 know a deeper meaning to life and what's 2284 01:44:07,140 --> 01:44:02,830 out there there's no reason to discredit 2285 01:44:09,090 --> 01:44:07,150 any sort of idea or philosophy unless 2286 01:44:11,220 --> 01:44:09,100 there is a reason to discredit that 2287 01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,230 philosophy and there is proof against it 2288 01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:13,600 and so so that's one of the things I 2289 01:44:20,850 --> 01:44:16,390 really like about rick is that he put so 2290 01:44:24,330 --> 01:44:20,860 much thought and philosophy into into 2291 01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:24,340 what he's into his research and so his 2292 01:44:28,710 --> 01:44:26,800 new book that's coming out he's trying 2293 01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:28,720 to fund it directly through truth 2294 01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:31,090 wanders so his last series he did was a 2295 01:44:36,529 --> 01:44:32,489 three-parter it 2296 01:44:38,359 --> 01:44:36,539 called the keepers and he was on hymns 2297 01:44:42,890 --> 01:44:38,369 on it was in barnes and noble he was 2298 01:44:44,660 --> 01:44:42,900 doing signing said and yeah this new one 2299 01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:44,670 he just wants to try something different 2300 01:44:50,660 --> 01:44:48,210 and a little bit more galactic and he 2301 01:44:53,180 --> 01:44:50,670 loves jump in I want to find out more 2302 01:44:55,129 --> 01:44:53,190 information which is what true funders 2303 01:44:57,620 --> 01:44:55,139 is also that's the main thing I want 2304 01:45:00,529 --> 01:44:57,630 from truth others is to get you know the 2305 01:45:03,140 --> 01:45:00,539 Freedom of Information Act to use it for 2306 01:45:05,779 --> 01:45:03,150 the individual there the Freedom of 2307 01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:05,789 Information Act was created by amazing 2308 01:45:09,259 --> 01:45:07,650 people who are fighting for you know 2309 01:45:10,850 --> 01:45:09,269 basically the average person to be able 2310 01:45:12,319 --> 01:45:10,860 to find out what the heck is going on in 2311 01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:12,329 their governments the foundation of 2312 01:45:16,459 --> 01:45:14,639 america and there's been awesome 2313 01:45:18,319 --> 01:45:16,469 pioneers since the 60s trying to get 2314 01:45:21,620 --> 01:45:18,329 that information out there however 2315 01:45:24,799 --> 01:45:21,630 there's a lot of bureaucracy you have to 2316 01:45:26,689 --> 01:45:24,809 go through in a cost a fortune you know 2317 01:45:28,009 --> 01:45:26,699 further because you have to have a 2318 01:45:30,049 --> 01:45:28,019 lawyer be able to do is the average 2319 01:45:32,060 --> 01:45:30,059 person cannot do and i want to find out 2320 01:45:34,970 --> 01:45:32,070 about everything that the government has 2321 01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:34,980 and oftentimes you know they do a number 2322 01:45:38,359 --> 01:45:36,510 of things they don't necessarily redact 2323 01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:38,369 you know that's not necessarily their 2324 01:45:42,049 --> 01:45:40,170 tactic because that that's too much of a 2325 01:45:45,229 --> 01:45:42,059 giveaway what they do if they give you a 2326 01:45:46,580 --> 01:45:45,239 room for files that is in legalese that 2327 01:45:48,620 --> 01:45:46,590 the average person can understand 2328 01:45:50,509 --> 01:45:48,630 literally it could cost you know a 2329 01:45:53,180 --> 01:45:50,519 hundred thousand dollars two hundred 2330 01:45:55,129 --> 01:45:53,190 thousand dollars to to get to the bottom 2331 01:45:57,169 --> 01:45:55,139 of any one given think that's what i 2332 01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:57,179 want to fund and I and you know there's 2333 01:46:00,620 --> 01:45:59,460 a multitude of lawyers out there that 2334 01:46:02,689 --> 01:46:00,630 are willing to do it and they've done 2335 01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:02,699 things pro bono but you know there's 2336 01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:03,840 only so much they could do they got to 2337 01:46:08,419 --> 01:46:06,690 put food on the table so that's what 2338 01:46:10,879 --> 01:46:08,429 truth finders I think to do for all of 2339 01:46:12,020 --> 01:46:10,889 us and I and I really think that you 2340 01:46:13,939 --> 01:46:12,030 know this is not just for me I think 2341 01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:13,949 this is for anyone who have something 2342 01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,170 they want to get to the bottom of what 2343 01:46:20,689 --> 01:46:18,719 you do is you find you know the lawyers 2344 01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:20,699 out there that are doing this you get it 2345 01:46:24,919 --> 01:46:22,800 funded and we can get to the bottom of 2346 01:46:26,450 --> 01:46:24,929 so many things at the very least with 2347 01:46:27,919 --> 01:46:26,460 the willing to disclose and it's 2348 01:46:31,489 --> 01:46:27,929 actually astounding what they're willing 2349 01:46:33,589 --> 01:46:31,499 to disclose if you have you know the 2350 01:46:36,169 --> 01:46:33,599 people that can do it in the time and 2351 01:46:38,750 --> 01:46:36,179 money and resources to be able to from 2352 01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:38,760 that one thing you know I'm going to ask 2353 01:46:45,200 --> 01:46:41,760 an you know I may sound a little crash 2354 01:46:45,770 --> 01:46:45,210 but you know you I'm talking to you Rick 2355 01:46:50,569 --> 01:46:45,780 you know 2356 01:46:51,950 --> 01:46:50,579 facts but you I can't see where there's 2357 01:46:55,790 --> 01:46:51,960 any facts to a lot of things you've been 2358 01:46:58,850 --> 01:46:55,800 talking about you know the for instance 2359 01:47:01,160 --> 01:46:58,860 the Arcturians and and all that where's 2360 01:47:04,810 --> 01:47:01,170 your facts and that type of claim that 2361 01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:04,820 you're making well the thing is is that 2362 01:47:11,089 --> 01:47:08,880 it's based on stuff that is not I guess 2363 01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:11,099 for this venue as much and all that I 2364 01:47:16,189 --> 01:47:13,860 want to talk about how you know physics 2365 01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:16,199 talks about how consciousness is a real 2366 01:47:21,290 --> 01:47:18,719 thing and and then how physics has 2367 01:47:23,660 --> 01:47:21,300 determined that particles are linked to 2368 01:47:26,450 --> 01:47:23,670 consciousness and how how those 2369 01:47:30,109 --> 01:47:26,460 particles are determined to possible 2370 01:47:33,229 --> 01:47:30,119 into dark matter how dark matter is the 2371 01:47:35,870 --> 01:47:33,239 you know the birthplace of galaxies and 2372 01:47:38,540 --> 01:47:35,880 all that but you know I get I suppose 2373 01:47:41,529 --> 01:47:38,550 it's a different you know it's a 2374 01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:41,539 different in head of fact streams that 2375 01:47:47,930 --> 01:47:45,119 you know I think they have coming in a 2376 01:47:50,319 --> 01:47:47,940 lot about specific UFO events on on the 2377 01:47:53,540 --> 01:47:50,329 earth but what I did have was a lot of 2378 01:47:56,180 --> 01:47:53,550 knowledge of how espionage works how 2379 01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:56,190 everything that is going on on our 2380 01:48:02,299 --> 01:47:58,800 planet is very akin to the proxy wars 2381 01:48:04,279 --> 01:48:02,309 that are done by superpowers here to 2382 01:48:07,370 --> 01:48:04,289 lesser nations and how it appears that 2383 01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:07,380 it's all a Russian Russian nesting doll 2384 01:48:11,779 --> 01:48:09,570 where we do it to lesser powers and in 2385 01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:11,789 fact ultimately it's being done to us 2386 01:48:17,810 --> 01:48:14,639 and you know who are these different 2387 01:48:20,839 --> 01:48:17,820 factors and and that's where i go back 2388 01:48:24,580 --> 01:48:20,849 to you know it does appear that there is 2389 01:48:27,529 --> 01:48:24,590 a ways before us and those multitude of 2390 01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:27,539 concepts that you know back up the idea 2391 01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:30,110 that you know i i'm sure you've heard of 2392 01:48:35,180 --> 01:48:33,449 the reptilians i have but you know i 2393 01:48:38,450 --> 01:48:35,190 mean i'm not i'm not convinced to be 2394 01:48:41,660 --> 01:48:38,460 honest with you yes okay you know that 2395 01:48:44,899 --> 01:48:41,670 that makes you know okay well that's 2396 01:48:46,850 --> 01:48:44,909 just different yeah okay you know I mean 2397 01:48:49,850 --> 01:48:46,860 you know I've heard I've heard you know 2398 01:48:52,939 --> 01:48:49,860 people claim that you know in abductions 2399 01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:52,949 and stuff like that but I just I I just 2400 01:48:58,370 --> 01:48:55,679 don't know how to how to think about 2401 01:48:59,690 --> 01:48:58,380 that so i guess i don't want to say I'm 2402 01:49:02,470 --> 01:48:59,700 on the fence i just sayin 2403 01:49:07,460 --> 01:49:02,480 say I'm neutral on the subject really 2404 01:49:10,330 --> 01:49:07,470 yes and and um it's and then I you know 2405 01:49:15,380 --> 01:49:10,340 the are trillions employee inspect and 2406 01:49:18,230 --> 01:49:15,390 you know in a lot of the the alien 2407 01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:18,240 community it's often the altar and 2408 01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:20,490 conclusions come up blood and and have 2409 01:49:25,370 --> 01:49:23,610 you heard of that uh yeah yeah I've 2410 01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:25,380 heard I've heard of these things and I'm 2411 01:49:31,220 --> 01:49:29,970 not again I just because I heard of it 2412 01:49:33,410 --> 01:49:31,230 or whatever it doesn't mean that I've 2413 01:49:36,110 --> 01:49:33,420 really looked into it deeply so that's 2414 01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:36,120 that's why another thing I don't really 2415 01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:38,730 want to you know comment on it but I 2416 01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:41,040 think some of the things are pretty much 2417 01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:44,760 out there you know and yes it would be 2418 01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:47,730 interesting to know about and and sure 2419 01:49:52,940 --> 01:49:50,760 if there's any thing that can link link 2420 01:49:55,790 --> 01:49:52,950 it you know directly to these things 2421 01:50:01,580 --> 01:49:55,800 really existing I would be all over it 2422 01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:01,590 and and very interested in it yes you 2423 01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:03,690 know a lot of course a few who do you 2424 01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:09,530 think is is looking us I think 2425 01:50:15,710 --> 01:50:13,050 intelligence is probably visiting us 2426 01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:15,720 from from other planets and other places 2427 01:50:20,690 --> 01:50:17,730 what they are and who they are i have no 2428 01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:20,700 idea and why they have not shown 2429 01:50:26,630 --> 01:50:24,000 themselves that's what I saw speculation 2430 01:50:28,850 --> 01:50:26,640 that's what I'm getting into see Beth 2431 01:50:33,020 --> 01:50:28,860 that's the stuff that I get into why 2432 01:50:34,910 --> 01:50:33,030 it's a why worth it technological powers 2433 01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:34,920 that you know to be able to get here 2434 01:50:39,380 --> 01:50:37,800 they obviously have you know the ability 2435 01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:39,390 to obliterate us why would they hide 2436 01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:42,000 what's the same reason that proxy wars 2437 01:50:46,970 --> 01:50:44,400 occur you know what why would Russia 2438 01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:46,980 need to hide you know a battle that it 2439 01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,440 wants to do you know in in all the 2440 01:50:53,390 --> 01:50:51,360 different places that you know during 2441 01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:53,400 the Cold War you know why would why 2442 01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:55,530 would America need to hide anything why 2443 01:51:00,230 --> 01:50:57,930 would we you no need to hide that were 2444 01:51:02,630 --> 01:51:00,240 engaging why would be for instance you 2445 01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:02,640 know el salvador tiny little nothing of 2446 01:51:06,110 --> 01:51:04,650 a nation well if we didn't want them to 2447 01:51:07,610 --> 01:51:06,120 be Congress why would just storm in 2448 01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:07,620 there with a few of our troops and just 2449 01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:09,570 obliterate all the columns ourselves 2450 01:51:13,490 --> 01:51:11,760 because we can't is we're locked between 2451 01:51:15,620 --> 01:51:13,500 you know politic 2452 01:51:16,970 --> 01:51:15,630 both of our own nation where people 2453 01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:16,980 don't want that within our own nation 2454 01:51:20,690 --> 01:51:18,090 but the government's will more 2455 01:51:22,340 --> 01:51:20,700 militaristic than we are but also with 2456 01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:22,350 all the other superpowers of the world 2457 01:51:25,580 --> 01:51:24,090 where you know trying to maintain a 2458 01:51:27,230 --> 01:51:25,590 balance of power they don't want us 2459 01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,240 marching into El Salvador because that 2460 01:51:31,010 --> 01:51:29,280 sets off a domino effect of power and 2461 01:51:32,810 --> 01:51:31,020 the Soviet Union didn't like that now 2462 01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,820 forget the Soviet Union we couldn't do 2463 01:51:37,700 --> 01:51:35,040 that because europe european union in 2464 01:51:40,220 --> 01:51:37,710 russia's for power china all that we 2465 01:51:42,620 --> 01:51:40,230 can't just do things you know outright 2466 01:51:45,230 --> 01:51:42,630 we have to engage in covert black ops 2467 01:51:47,390 --> 01:51:45,240 even though you know put all the other 2468 01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:47,400 superpowers out of the way the United 2469 01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:48,960 States you go around stomping over 2470 01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:50,970 everyone with its military we can't 2471 01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:53,520 because of the political landscape and 2472 01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:55,890 that's that's the issues that I'm or 2473 01:52:01,340 --> 01:51:58,170 discusses why are these intelligent 2474 01:52:03,710 --> 01:52:01,350 beings affecting our world and I don't 2475 01:52:06,020 --> 01:52:03,720 they just come out right with with their 2476 01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:06,030 intentions and that's the stuff that I 2477 01:52:11,390 --> 01:52:08,850 like to address with my knowledge of why 2478 01:52:13,670 --> 01:52:11,400 you know espionage has been engaged in 2479 01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:13,680 an hour you know on our planet in the 2480 01:52:18,110 --> 01:52:15,930 stuff we know about and I take that up 2481 01:52:20,150 --> 01:52:18,120 like i said the Russian nesting doll the 2482 01:52:23,180 --> 01:52:20,160 largest nesting doll being that inter 2483 01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:23,190 graphic politics uh-huh now we only have 2484 01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:27,000 two minutes left so if you each one at a 2485 01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:29,490 time want to just close up real quickly 2486 01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:32,730 and if you have any way to for someone 2487 01:52:36,530 --> 01:52:35,250 to reach you that's interested that want 2488 01:52:38,900 --> 01:52:36,540 to reach out to you whether it's email 2489 01:52:43,340 --> 01:52:38,910 or go ahead of course for the truth 2490 01:52:46,460 --> 01:52:43,350 funders calm go ahead sure so this is 2491 01:52:49,190 --> 01:52:46,470 mark yeah if you have a project we love 2492 01:52:50,900 --> 01:52:49,200 we love to help you out we have all 2493 01:52:53,410 --> 01:52:50,910 sorts of great projects coming through 2494 01:52:58,490 --> 01:52:53,420 you know Jonas's book to sort of help 2495 01:53:00,640 --> 01:52:58,500 reach reach the youth about ufology if 2496 01:53:03,950 --> 01:53:00,650 you want to do research if there's 2497 01:53:07,250 --> 01:53:03,960 stories that you have to tell we we are 2498 01:53:10,010 --> 01:53:07,260 here we want to help sort of answer and 2499 01:53:13,730 --> 01:53:10,020 solve and ask more questions and so 2500 01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:13,740 please reach out to us and also please 2501 01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:15,810 fund some of the projects that are there 2502 01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:17,970 because it's it's supporting this 2503 01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:22,080 wonderful community that's trying to 2504 01:53:25,810 --> 01:53:24,840 find out why and who's visiting us and 2505 01:53:29,470 --> 01:53:25,820 what's going 2506 01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:29,480 on you know whether you believe in it or 2507 01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:31,489 whether you're a skeptic that's okay 2508 01:53:38,649 --> 01:53:34,400 both and both are welcome and all are 2509 01:53:41,939 --> 01:53:38,659 welcome the the key to choose funders is 2510 01:53:44,890 --> 01:53:41,949 the truth so please visit us at wwu 2511 01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:44,900 Transcom and check out all the projects 2512 01:53:49,660 --> 01:53:46,639 some of them might not be for you and 2513 01:53:52,270 --> 01:53:49,670 other ones might be so I really I really 2514 01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:52,280 appreciate it if you guys would stop by 2515 01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:54,560 alright and you got something quick to 2516 01:54:00,220 --> 01:53:57,650 say Rick yes my big thing is you know 2517 01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:00,230 I'm searching for the truth as much as 2518 01:54:05,260 --> 01:54:03,199 anyone you know and especially like 2519 01:54:07,419 --> 01:54:05,270 cumson nitty-gritty of what our 2520 01:54:09,339 --> 01:54:07,429 government knows you know the stuff that 2521 01:54:13,180 --> 01:54:09,349 I think would be interesting to you and 2522 01:54:15,970 --> 01:54:13,190 your your your fan so I would so that 2523 01:54:18,220 --> 01:54:15,980 you know the big thing that I appreciate 2524 01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:18,230 about true funders is you know not 2525 01:54:22,899 --> 01:54:21,050 getting my workout is be able to fund 2526 01:54:25,060 --> 01:54:22,909 projects will with the Freedom of 2527 01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:25,070 Information Act we can at least get 2528 01:54:30,729 --> 01:54:27,650 whatever they're willing to disclose and 2529 01:54:32,050 --> 01:54:30,739 like I said there's amazing things 2530 01:54:34,270 --> 01:54:32,060 they're willing to disclose but they 2531 01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:34,280 disclose it with you know hundreds of 2532 01:54:38,260 --> 01:54:37,040 boxes full of files who can go through 2533 01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:38,270 that and then it's written in ways that 2534 01:54:42,339 --> 01:54:40,250 we can get you know we can't even 2535 01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:42,349 understand and then the logistics of 2536 01:54:46,149 --> 01:54:44,690 getting them to release it is not 2537 01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:46,159 something I would personally do you must 2538 01:54:50,020 --> 01:54:48,050 hire a lawyer to do it these are the 2539 01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:50,030 things that I really appreciate out the 2540 01:54:53,649 --> 01:54:52,400 truth lenders and lady fans might have 2541 01:54:55,419 --> 01:54:53,659 things we want to get to the bottom of 2542 01:54:57,819 --> 01:54:55,429 as well well thank you both very much 2543 01:54:59,919 --> 01:54:57,829 Thank You Martin hey it was a pleasure 2544 01:55:01,720 --> 01:54:59,929 to be on your show it was an honor I'd 2545 01:55:03,970 --> 01:55:01,730 really appreciate the chance to come on 2546 01:55:06,459 --> 01:55:03,980 and talk and you're a great host you 2547 01:55:08,589 --> 01:55:06,469 have you have great questions and yeah 2548 01:55:10,209 --> 01:55:08,599 and I really love the way you run your 2549 01:55:12,729 --> 01:55:10,219 show you're very welcome so that's it 2550 01:55:14,500 --> 01:55:12,739 for the show and next week I'm not 2551 01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:14,510 really sure who's coming up I had 2552 01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:16,400 someone drop out of me so I'm will be a 2553 01:55:21,729 --> 01:55:19,250 surprise guest next week thank you Bruce 2554 01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:21,739 Rainier and Carrie Lloyd White House for 2555 01:55:25,899 --> 01:55:23,840 the music Thank You Peggy shunning for 2556 01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:25,909 managing a Facebook page even though 2557 01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:28,520 alejandro gave you some trouble about it 2558 01:55:34,060 --> 01:55:31,040 you can check us out next week live 2559 01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:34,070 right here on the Dark Matter radio 2560 01:55:39,790 --> 01:55:38,000 network and eight to ten Wednesday and 2561 01:55:42,069 --> 01:55:39,800 like every week and